Different ways of lifting the gen5

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  1. Hammersmith

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    Yes, Toyota intends you to lift on the reinforced lip. I've done it with and without a pinch weld adapter using a floor jack, and I now just go without. After several liftings, I've seen no hint of damage. I plan to continue to lift on the lip until/unless corrosion appears in the area. Then I might switch to using an adapter.
     
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    Those look decent, but interestingly those will not fit on my gen5 pinch welds, as the bent "lip" part at the bottom of the pinch (as pictured in post #19) will be too wide to fit in the slots on the adapters ...
     
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    You would just need to shim the adapter with some washers, and possibly use longer bolts to make the slot wider to accommodate the width of your pinch welds.

    Four washers, 2 on each side, sandwiched between the center block and sides of the adapter should increase the width of the slot of the adapter while keeping the adapter centered on the jack saddle.


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    Another way (albeit much more expensive) of lifting a Gen 5. Car Care Nut 's video also has some setup tips for the QuickJack and his use of this is seen in some of his older videos before he started making all his relevant videos in his own shop. This is still a possibility for me but time will tell.
     
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    I picked on of those up at a Harbor Freight a few years ago. It was low enough to use to get far enough under to swap winter/summer wheels on the Corolla.

    I just bought some four inch ramps. Still a bit low but likely safer for oil changes. I found that taller ramps don't fit under the Prius.

    I had one nut terribly overtightened-- enough to warp a rotor. With a good jack rotations and changes aren't very tough and you'll know everything was torqued correctly.
     
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    Well, until you realize you're as fallable as the next guy. Snugging the lug nuts, lowering the car, declaring it done, does happen. Tricks help. For that, I lay the pre-set torque wrench on the floor, close to the wheels I've got the wheel chocks on, somewhere I'm sure to spot it.
     
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    When the next guy is a lad with an impact wrench working on a car he doesn't own, I believe I'm considerably less fallible. If I somehow screw up turning a torque wrench, at least I know who to blame.

    I do have limits. I couldn't get the factory oil filter off and I didn't want to break anything so I left it. Younger me would have kept at it until something broke.
     
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    I'm pretty sure I have the 8.5" RhinoRamps and I have no problems with clearance.
     
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    Can you share which 4 inch ramps you got?
     
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    Low rise ramps you can even just cobble something out of 2x lumber. I fashioned some up and over ones, using 2x4’s on edge, but in hindsight something like 2x8’s on the flat would be a lot easier.
     

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    Those are really solid, but I bet they are back breakers too.

    These are 5 lbs per pair and give about 2.5 inches of lift, enough to get a jack under a central jack point far back from a low front valence, or front rocker panel/side skirt.

    It's on sale now, under $22.

    Low Profile Car Ramps for Oil Changes 2.4'' High Portable Ramp Special for Lower Cars and Trailer Tire Change, for Car Lift Vehicle Maintenance for Garage, Upgrade with Anti-Slip Rubber Pads https://a.co/d/bvqTt19

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    Just calculated but likely close:

    10’ of 2x4 at 1.67 lb per, say 17 lb. The deducted chamfers likely equivalent to the thd rod nuts and washers, so I’ll say 17 lb total. Comfortably cumbersome. :)
     
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    Thanks for all of the input about lifting the gen5 for an oil change.

    Next question: for driveway mechanics with limited heavy equipment, how do you jack the car safely and properly for tire rotations? (assuming one does not own 2 floor jacks) So, say you want to rotate the non-driver side wheels, do you jack up the car from the front central lift point as high as you can and then place a jack stand under the right front pinch weld point and then lower it on to that jack stand? And then do you jack up the car from the back central lift point as high as you can and then place a jack stand under the right rear pinch weld point and then lower it on to that jack stand?

    Then, about the front central lift point, it is impossible right now for me to get under the car to look at it directly (darn car is too low!), how big of an area around this central bolt is safe to lift from? My proposed jack has a smallish square lift point and this area appears circular and, worse, kind of concave. So I was thinking of using a piece of wood between the jack and the gen5 lift point. Good idea or bad idea? Any other suggestions or warnings?

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    You can get replacement floor jack cradles with a flat rubber face.

    what I do for tire rotations is:

    1. chock rear wheels and release parking brake.
    2. Raise front and settle onto jack stands.
    3. Raise rear and settle onto jack stands.

    Addendum:

    If you don't have an impact, good to loosen all lug nuts before raising.
     
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    I searched the seller's inventory and found these adapters made for the type of pinch welds your car seems to have. They have wider channels in them to accommodate the folded edge of the pinch weld.

    Jack Stand Adapters For Toyota GR Corolla GRC | eBay

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    Some pictures from the listing.

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    I get the sense the 5th gen scissor jack bearing points are actually usable, as-is; the proscribed zone is beefed up some?
     
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    Here's the alternate rubber cradle I'm using with my floor jack, when needed:

    Floor Jack Saddle

    The only issue: it's got a great goober of weld going 'round the junction betwee locator pin and underside plate. that weld means it doesn't fit well with my jack. I cobbled a wooden washer between the jack and cradle to accomodate the weld:

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    Also have this, for getting a bit more lift:

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    ^Note grain on the two wood blocks is at 90 degrees, and there's a couple of locator dowels between the two wood blocks.

    Then there's my Tesla3 adapter:

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    ^They have no front or rear jacking points, only 4 side rail points. You push the pin into holes, roll a floor jack under it. A royal pain: The adapter is a commerially available item, $5~6 apiece. A hockey puck would serve in a pinch, that's all it is, albeit with a locator pin, which is handy, keeps it located laterally and won't fall off.

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    ^All 4 wheels were rolled up on the aforementioned ramps, only way I could get the floor jack under the puck:
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    The whole menagerie:

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