My experience with Hybrid Battery repair/replacement

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Benjibabs, Dec 10, 2024.

  1. Benjibabs

    Benjibabs Junior Member

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    After about a year of owning a used 2012 Prius with just over 200,000 miles, the dreaded "triangle of death" light appeared on my way home from work. I managed to get the car home and immediately jumped on the internet to search for a solution. I found a reset method: disconnect the hybrid cable, wait about 10 minutes, and reconnect it. Success! The light disappeared, and I was a happy driver again.

    Exactly a week later, almost in the same spot on my way home, the ominous triangle lit up again. I repeated the reset process, and once more, the light went out. The following week, the same thing happened in almost the exact same way. While these resets were buying me time, I was researching and gathering the necessary parts to complete the best repair option I had decided on.

    Out of all the several youtube videos I watched, I decided to start with the one posted by Gregg Festo:
    Hybrid Battery Pack Refurbish - Step-By-Step w/ Settings - 2nd & 3rd Gen Toyota Prius - CQ3 Charger

    I liked his video because he provided detailed information about the required charger and all the necessary settings, along with step-by-step instructions for testing the battery modules. When the big day finally arrived, I removed the battery and began testing it using the CQ3 charger I had purchased from AliExpress (at half the price compared to Amazon).

    I had designed a neat spreadsheet on my laptop and followed Greg's instructions carefully. The results were disappointing—none of the modules discharged or recharged to 5000mAh. In fact, all of them were below 1000mAh. I thought at least some modules would reach 5000mAh by the third cycle. It didn’t make sense that all the modules could have gone bad at the same time.

    Frustrated, I started googling again and came across this page:
    PROLONG® Battery Discharger User Guide

    The page—and the website overall—offers a wealth of information. Somewhere on the site (I can’t locate it now), I found a note explaining that NiMH batteries are durable enough to be discharged to 0V. Armed with this information, I discharged the cells to 4.6V, 3V, and 0V in different cycles.
    After these cycles, about 11 of the cells bounced back to 5000mAh, just as Greg described. However, 12 cells didn’t recover at all, while the remaining cells stabilized between 2000mAh and 3000mAh. To address this, I replaced the 12 bad cells with used ones I purchased from eBay.

    The next step before reassembling the battery was balancing, and I followed Jose’s video for guidance (linked below):
    Easy method to balance the Toyota hybrid battery (NiMH)

    By the way, Jose's channel, Hybrid Solution Diagnoses, has a lot of great videos.

    For the balancing process, I picked up two aluminum rods from Home Depot and repurposed a broken wooden drawer I had in my garage. I laid the rods across the drawer, arranged the modules in parallel, and left them to balance for 48 hours.

    Before coupling the battery and reinstalling it in the car, I cleaned the bus bars, following another one of Jose’s videos as a guide:
    How to clean the bus bars for toyota hybrid battery service and maintenance

    Using the Dr. Prius app, I checked the battery's life expectancy, which improved to 67% compared to 36% before replacing the modules. The hybrid warning light disappeared, and the car drove well.

    However, six weeks after the module replacement, the dreaded "triangle of death" resurfaced!

    Over the next few weeks, I went through the same process, replacing a few modules each time I pulled the battery. After each replacement, I was able to drive the car for a few weeks, but the light would return within six weeks. Eventually, I had replaced 18 modules when the dreaded light came back again.

    Using the Dr. Prius app, I noticed a module that was charging and discharging faster than the others. I pulled the battery and ran the two cells in that module through three cycles of discharge and charge, following Greg’s instructions. During the process, I observed that one cell completed all the cycles in just 10 minutes, while the other was still on the first cycle. I replaced the cell that completed the cycles too quickly.

    Six months and over 7,000 miles later, I was still driving the car without any battery issues. Then, one day, the "triangle of death" appeared again. This time, the Dr. Prius app helped me identify another module that was consistently low. I replaced the cells in that module, and 10,000 miles later, I’m still enjoying the car trouble-free. :)

    Lessons and Suggestions
    1. Complete Battery Replacement is Best
      The most reliable solution for the "triangle of death" is a complete replacement of the hybrid battery.

    2. Reconditioning Facts
      Based on my research and YouTube videos, a completely dead battery cannot be reconditioned. Reconditioning can only prolong the life of a new or partially functional battery. For example, I still have 10 cells from the original battery that are working in my pack.

    3. Temperature and Battery Wear
      The "valley description" of the battery is accurate. Modules in the middle of the pack fail first due to higher temperatures, while the ones at the ends last longer.

    4. Selective Module Replacement
      If you choose to replace bad modules instead of the entire pack, don’t cut corners. For batteries 10 years or older, keep the five cells at both ends of the pack and replace all the cells in between. This approach saves significant time and effort.

    5. Weakest Cell Rule
      Your battery is only as strong as its weakest cell. A single cell that charges or discharges too quickly will eventually trigger the "triangle of death."

    6. Dr. Prius App Insights
      If the Delta Voltage in the Dr. Prius app shows anything other than zero, the "triangle of death" is imminent.

    7. Bus Bar Replacement
      Don’t waste time cleaning the bus bars—buy new ones instead. While Jose’s cleaning method works, it’s tedious and time-consuming.

    8. Prolong Battery Charger
      If your budget allows, invest in a Prolong battery charger. It will save you a lot of time and effort.

    9. Stay Organized
      When pulling the battery, stay organized. Use zip-lock bags and Post-it notes to store screws and label each piece you remove.

    10. Balancing Precautions
      If you’re using Jose’s method to balance cells, pay close attention to polarity. I accidentally placed one cell incorrectly, causing a big spark and burning the aluminum rod.

    11. Used Cells from eBay
      Be cautious when buying used cells from eBay. Some may fail—it happened to me!
    I hope this helps someone out there! :)
     
  2. Brian1954

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    Did you read the trouble codes to determine why the "triangle of death" light appeared? That light can come on for a hundred different reasons, not just when the hybrid battery needs to be replaced. You did not mention anything about trouble codes in your post. How did you know that the hybrid battery needed to be replaced?

    Jose's video is NOT balancing the individual cells in the battery pack. What he is doing is equalizing the voltages between the 28 modules. A true balancing is done by using a grid charge to charge and balance all the168 cells in the battery pack. There are six 1.2 volt cells in a module and 28 modules in the battery pack (6x28=168 cells). All 168 cells are connected in series, so a grid charger (like the Prolong charger) uses a low 0.35 amp charge to top balance the battery pack in about 18 to 24 hours. Here is the correct way to balance the battery pack, from Hybrid Automotive website: PROLONG® BATTERY CHARGER USER GUIDE

    Prolong Battery Charger Instructions:

    Refer to the Battery Reconditioning Overview for a summary of the hybrid battery reconditioning process. These instruction focus specifically on the battery charge & balance cycle.

    The car should be turned off while charging. The first phase of charging is ‘filling’ the battery. When you begin the charging process the hybrid battery will be somewhere between 40%-80% charged (Toyota) or 20%-80% charged (Honda) depending on how full the battery was when you parked the car. During the ‘filling’ phase the voltage displayed on the charger will slowly climb at a steady rate from the starting voltage to a 100% charge level, then level off. The max voltage of your battery will vary depending on vehicle model, its overall condition, and will likely change from charge session to charge session. Refer to the below table for typical hybrid battery peak voltages by vehicle. It can take anywhere from 4-16 hours for ‘filling’ to complete, depending on how drained the battery charge is when you park the car. (Note: no ‘balancing’ occurs during this ‘filling’ phase.)

    Once the battery becomes ‘full’ the balancing process will begin. During the ‘balancing’ phase you will most likely see a steady voltage reading or a very slow oscillation of voltage – perhaps a 1-3 volt swing over several minutes. This means the battery is in the balancing phase. The initial balancing can take 4-12 hours after the filling phase is complete. Subsequent balancing sessions will likely be much shorter, perhaps 4-6 hours after filling is complete. During balancing, each individual hybrid battery cell is rising to a true 100% state of charge. As an individual cell reaches its peak voltage it warms slightly, then the voltage drops as it converts the excess charge energy to heat, then the cell cools and again charges to 100%. The process is repeated over and over. (This is why proper battery cooling is so important). As the higher voltage cells undergo this cycle the lower voltage cells continue to fill and ‘catch up’ to the cells that have already reached 100% charge level. This is how the hybrid battery pack as a whole becomes re-balanced. Once the voltage no longer fluctuates, and/or the desired amount of time has elapsed, the charging and balancing process is complete.

    A completely empty pack takes just under 24 hours to reach a full state of charge and balance, depending on cell efficiency. At no time should the combined ‘filling’ and ‘balancing’ times exceed 48 hours.


    I agree that the most reliable solution for a bad hybrid battery is to replace the complete battery pack. If you buy a new OEM hybrid battery pack, you should not have any problems with it for the next 10 to 15 years.

    Which gets me back to how I started this post. The "triangle of death" warning light does NOT mean that the hybrid battery needs to be replaced. It means that you need to read the trouble codes that have been triggered by the ECUs in the car. Only a few of the more then 100 reasons that light comes on is for a bad hybrid battery. So, did you read the trouble codes that the car was trying to tell you about? If so, what were the codes?
     
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  3. Benjibabs

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    Ah! Thanks for pointing that out. I totally missed including three vital info:

    1.) Error code: P0A80
    2.) Along with the triangle of death light, I also got the hybrid error msg: Check Hybrid System. Stop vehicle in a safe place.
    3.) The car kept running on the combustion engine and wouldn’t switch to electric mode while the message and light were on

    On balancing, I manually trickled charged each module to the fullest before using Jose’s method the first time I pulled the battery pack. Subsequent pullings, I skipped the trickled charging portion and still the delta number on Dr Prius app disappeared afterwards.

    The experience I shared here happened a little over a year ago and I relied totally on my memory when I wrote the piece. I should have taken time to gather the info in my notes and spreadsheet.

    I also realized I mixed up the terms (cell, module and unit) in my post. Dr Prius uses unit for two modules. You have provided the correct
    Cell, module and battery info in your response.


    Thanks again for taking the time to respond. If I had to do this again, I’ll use a suitable Prolong product.
     
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