Toyota dealer or a small shop for this service?

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    I have a 2014 Prius, Gen 3, 150K's miles.

    To replace (flush old fluid out, and replace with new fluid) coolant fluids (for both gas engine and hybrid inverter engine), and transmission fluid, can a small shop (with good reviews) do the job? Or I should use a Toyota dealer, at like 2x or more the cost?

    Much thanks. I am trying to save some costs, as I recently had, unluckily, a big job on this Prius.
     
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    There's a difference between a flush and a drain & fill. A systems flush requires more fluids, equipment, and labor - some shops uses the term interchangeably. You should be clear on what the mechanic is going to do and if he's using the correct terminology. Some people here will argue it's a potato vs potatao, when it really isn't. Getting off the soap box now.
    Yes, any qualified shop can do this basic maintenance work. You should probably add a brake system fluid FLUSH, if that has never been done on that car. FYI: most dealerships simply do a drain & fill, systems flush is additional for the reasons stated above.

    Hope this helps....
     
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    Who did the big job and what was that job? As for fluid changes, as long as the shop has bled a Gen3 coolant system after adding new fluid, you can trust 'em. But a do have one friend that does his fliuid change for his Gen3 at a stealership because the price is lower than most places.
     
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    A regular flush was essential back in the day when materials that coolant system were made of were prone to corrosion. But now that everything is either plastic or aluminum the corroded system risk/need for flush is insignificant to non existent. Just changing the fluid is enough.
     
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    The answer could be do nothing if a head gasket was replaced.

    GIGO applies to advice without data. Garbage in garbage (advice) out.
     
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    I paid $2700 to replace whole freaking master booster cylinder and the pump (2 parts), at a Toyota dealer.
     
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    I just replaced a master booster cylinder & pump systems. Is brake system fluid flush is still needed with that repair?
     
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    No, that was taken care of with the major brake system repair.
     
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    All 3 of those YOU can do yourself with basic tools.
    Changing the trans fluid is a "little" tricky. You'll have to raise all four wheels and
    make sure the car is level. Using jack stands, or ramps, or both.

    When refilling the engine coolant, Use small amounts of coolant, and fill extremely slowly.
    Then the coolant will push out the air and you won't get air trapped and waste hours and fuel
    and time trying to get the air out.

     
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    Doesn’t seem small shops do flushing, just drain completely and refill the coolants. Is flushing needed and better than just draining?
     
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    You haven't been listening. They are drain and refill.......
    There is nothing to flush. If you use the CORRECT fluid.

    In an automatic transmission, older ones anyways, a machine can be attached to the hoses
    for the cooler so fluid can be pumped out of the transmission and into the machine while a special
    fluid is pumped in to clean it out and then new transmission fluid can be pumped in. And in theory,
    you won't have to change the filter.
    Since the Prius one doesn't have a filter, there is nothing to flush.
     
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    The flush was to remove fluid also from the torque converters older transmissions had.. CVT (prius transmission) does not have a torque converter. It is a simple drain and refill like an oil change (but no filter). Leveling it is the perfect way, but I did mine with the front end up on ramps while doing an oil change. You would think all the fluid wouldn't drain out, but it still took all the new 4 quarts refilled to get the fluid to begin running out the fill hole, so I say good enough, better than nothing (which Toyotas says it is "lifetime" fluid) that was 40k miles ago, all is fine. . The cost was somewhere around $40-$50 and I used a 1/2 in clear tube and a funnel to refill the fluid from under the hood. Be sure to remove the refill plug FIRST, if you drain it, then can't remove that plug, you cant drive the car until you refill the fluid.
     
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    In other words the transaxle fluid is similar to an oil change, you just drain and fill. There are no clutches to produce metal particles and no torque converter to trap oil.

    The most important thing is to use Toyota WS fluid in the transaxle since this transaxle has electric motors submerged in it.

    In theory engine or inverter coolants could be flushed instead of the recommended drain and fill but you would normally end up with something other than the proper coolant composition.

    Flushes usually means flushing old coolant with a cleaning solution and water to remove contaminants, then draining that cleaning solution and finally trying to get the proper hybrid coolant solution in. But the cleaning solution and water will never be completely removed so you end up with a bad mix.

    Coolant drain and fills with Toyota's 50/50 premix means you end up correct. Save your money and drain and fill twice as often. Which is what is required after the first go around.

    If you want to do something that helps your engine change the engine oil at 5k miles instead of 10k by the book. If it is not burning oil now you might push back that gen3 problem.
     
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    The simple answer is NO. The Toyota manual assumes a simple drain & fill - otherwise it would specifically say flush.

    Note: after the first coolant drain & fill; footnotes in the OM states that coolant replacement intervals will move to every 50K miles thereafter. The theory is that your not getting all the old coolant out, so every 50K is a safe interval to cycle through the old and new coolant mixture.
     
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    With soouch flush keyword I’m shocked they didn’t also say tune up.
     
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    The Toyota recommended coolant ONLY comes premixed with water (50/50 in the States, and 55/45 in Canada), so doing a “flush”, running copious amounts of straight water through (and down the street to nearby stream…) leaves you with a dilemma when it comes to refill. If it HAS to be done, say due to some contamination such as a stop-leak product, there’s a link in my signature, how to deal with it (if on a phone turn it landscape to see signatures). Also, attached are engine and inverter coolant change instructions from repair manual.

    Also in my signature, see transaxle fluid change link, has info and tips.
     

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    Thank you so much everyone for your expert feedbacks and advices. I will have a friend who was a mechanic before to help with coolant and transmission fluid replacements. Have a GREAT weekend!

    Now, I am so motivated to maintain and keep my little, but cozy 2014 Prius last forever! :D
     
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    I talked to Toyota dealer who did the job. Seems like the brake fluid was also replaced, so I don't have to worry about that for a while.
     
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    I just thought of this question. So I have 2 more Toyota cars, one is 2014 Siena LE (180K miles), the other is 2014 Toyota Camry Hybrid(just over 100K miles).

    I don't think either one has coolant fluid and transmission fluid replaced.

    Should I replace both coolant and transmision fluids on these cars as well, to keep them last a long time? They are well maintained, oil/brake/tires wise.