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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by fangtl, Nov 20, 2024 at 3:16 PM.

  1. fangtl

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    2012 Prius, 132k miles. Recently, I had our mechanic replace the water pump and thermostat with new OEM units to proactively address a sporadic overheating issue. Now, I'm wondering if I may have purchased a defective thermostat.

    I've been using Hybrid Assistant to monitor the temperatures post-repair and have noticed that the engine isn't reaching the normal operating temperature of 180°F. The highest it has gone is 172°F, but when coasting, it drops all the way down to the mid-140s. In full battery mode, it drops to the mid-130s. On steady highway drives, though, I'm seeing temperatures between 155-170°F.

    I’m in the mid-Atlantic U.S., so it's not cold here yet. It's roughly 60°F during the day and in the low 40s at night. The temperatures mentioned above were recorded with the climate control system off. However, I still get heat with no issues, and my MPG has been the best it's been in a long time, averaging almost 58-60 mpg with normal driving.

    Our mechanic thinks it’s fine, and even if the thermostat is stuck open, it won’t cause any harm. He suggested monitoring the car’s behavior as it gets colder.
     
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    He's probably right. I was monitoring coolant temp with ScanGuage, and the temp range you mention is similar. The only time I recall seeing it shoot right up to say 190F was climbing a local ski hill.

    One way to test, except you need to extract it: suspend it in a pot of water on the stove, with a thermometer in the water as well, and watch it's performance as the temp rises.

    If you've still got the old one, suspend the two of them side-by-side, watch for differences.
     
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    When the engine is hot, Carefully, touch the upper radiator hose. and bottom hose.
    They should be hot. And since you are getting heat in the cabin, it's likely working correctly.

    Those temps are fine. Because the NEW coolant pump is functioning correctly.


     
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    Thank you both for putting my mind at ease. I ran the HA app when it experienced overheating and I was consistently getting 190F on the freeway with spikes to 210F so I am running almost 35-40F degrees cooler now given my current range of 155-170.

    Even though the removal of the thermostat seems fairly simple, I just don't have the time and space for it, although I did feel the radiator hoses with a glove when the car was showing 134F and it was warm to the touch.
     
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    EGR ever cleaned?
     
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    Do you have the latest SW update?
    I had it done for free.
    The TSB mentions 'Water Pump duty cycle changes' and the European version of the TSB mentions 'Head Gasket life'.
    Sorry I don't have the numbers, but you can find them, or just call your dealer and 'demand' ;)you need that TSB performed.

    It would be interesting to see if your temps are different with the latest and greatest SW in the ECM.
     
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    No, I asked him to check and he said I probably still have some time and it'll probably take him another week to fully clean it if I want it done.
     

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    Not aware of this. I can't seem to find the TSB but I'll keep looking.
     
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    I'd recommend every 50k miles max.
     
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    Mendel Leisk said:
    EGR ever cleaned?


    That is just a picture of the 90° pipe from the EGR Valve to the Intake Manifold.
    The problem is the clogging that happens in the tiny passages in the plastic manifold.
    There is no way to 'check'. He only expressed his opinion.:whistle:

    The manifold has to come off to 'check' and while it's off it should be cleaned. Cleaning the EGR cooler is a bigger job, but if it is clogged a bit, that is not the big problem. The intake port clogging is the problem because they clog unevenly.

    I haven't cleaned my EGR system yet at 155k miles. But I imagine small rotary wire brushes run through the tiny ports should do the trick.
    A bigger brush for the big horizontal EGR port,,, and Bob's your uncle ! Maybe a quick spritz of cleaner and the intake is ready to reinstall,,, IMHO.
    What's he going on about "another week"???(n)

    My temporary fix is Disconnecting the EGR valve. No problem found in 2000 miles. Many here are doing it.
     
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    The colloquial namesake “cooler” (Toyota just calls it “pipe”) is due to the radiator within that component. “Clogged a bit” may continue to allow so-so flow, but cooling is also reduced. By how much a mechanical engineer will maybe weigh in.
     
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    That should be an easy test. :whistle:
    Use an IR temp reader on the gozin pipe and the gozout pipe from the EGR cooler. Before and after a big cleaning.
    A quick stop while on the highway, pop the hood, take the reading.

    More accurate would be to have a person hang on in the engine area with the hood open at highway speeds.:eek:
    Or stick on thermocouples on both pipes and a display for those two sensors.(y)
    Place yo'bets. How much temp drop going through this cooler?
     
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    I have monitored my engine temp for years and it reaches 190f even in freezing weather. I also have the revised egr valve, intake and ecm software.

    However it won’t code for low coolant temp until it can not reach 167f. So you won’t get that code, at least not until it is cooler out.

    The thermostat begins opening between 176-183f and is not all the way open until 203f. So it would seem the main engine coolant flow through the radiator is shutoff.

    The heater, egr and throttle body flow bypasses the radiator and thermostat valve so heater operation is not a good indicator of thermostat function.

    Finally large thermal swings are not good for the engine.
     
    #13 rjparker, Nov 22, 2024 at 12:52 PM
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