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5 Reasons for and against an EV, hybrid, or ICE

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  1. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Inductive charging will probably scale up to eliminate the cord issues as BEV tech improves.....
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Once a year, my hands stink of gasoline.

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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I do not own a BEV and I can't remember the last time that MY hands smelled like petrol.
    I also cannot remember the last time I had to think about refueling options.

    I use propane/natgas for my gennys and I was taught how to refuel my cars without spilling petrol.
     
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    inductive charging without serious losses could be a ways away. you see very few plug in owners compaining about plugging in, because the reality is different from the fud.
     
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    Yeah, that was my original setup too=perfect. Then, our next plug-in had the port on the opposite side of the vehicle and the fun began.

    Umm, OK.
     
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    my pip was like that, so i made a setup on the ceiling between the cars
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    I bought a J1772 extension cord, Originally to deal with ICE cars parked in the EV charging lane. Later, extending from the home, L2 charger to either the Tesla or opposite side BMW.

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    I just went to a gas station.

    I didn't have to leverage 40 years as an electronics technician to figure out the difference between L1 and L2 charging - or what title "SAE Surface Vehicle Recommended Practice J1772, SAE Electric Vehicle Conductive Charge Coupler" meant.

    Somebody IN THIS forum once looped me into what hybrids are supposed to REALLY MEAN.
    You can drive them like 'an ordinary car....'

    Bob's right.
    There are still too many people out there who just aren't smart enough (or wealthy enough) to pay the dues and be in the club.
     
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    i get a big grin everytime i pass a gas station
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Some are starting to add Superchargers and CCS-1 chargers. Buckees and Pilot.

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    for round trips longer than the vehicles range, it makes sense.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    A 2014 BMW i3-REx was my entry to EVs via a PHEV. When I bought it, the range extender engine avoid any problem with early, sparse, expensive, and buggy chargers:
    Don't let "wealthy" be a barrier. I found four BMW i3-REx on eBay for reasonable prices:
    • $10,000 - 62,000 mi :: warranty battery replacement last year
    • $12,900 - 52,500 mi :: has battery warranty
    • $17,999 - 31,522 mi :: has battery and body warranty
    • $25,000 - 14,031 mi :: has battery and body warranty
    Remember, GOOD, FAST, CHEAP ... pick two.

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    2025 will bring new forces to influence new and used EV prices. Who among us will predict what?
     
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    I was surprised everyone didn't buy a Prius even though I had three in series until EV converted. Sometimes, God must take care of the fallen sparrow(s).

    In high school, I used to wonder what terrible crime I committed in an earlier life to be condemned to this life with these fellows? The question remains.

    So I just do what I can for myself, some of my kin, and friends. As for the rest, well God's will be done. Everyone has a right to be wrong.

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    I don't let ANYTHING 'be a barrier."

    I'm a BEV fan - just not a fanatic.
    Gas works for me............for now.
    Not me.

    Gas prices were manipulated before the election, and not we're experiencing market forces doing the same thing.
    $2.29 and dropping rapidly locally.
    The thing is - BEVs ARE starting to affect per-barrel pricing by reducing demand, and if we can 'drill baby drill' then we will impact the Rooskies' ability to fund a war with the current artificial $60 floor.

    I seem to remember that one of P47's advisors is something of a BEV fanatic himself! ;)

    Gee....I was thinking about roughly the same metaphor for BEV implementation!
    I learned a hard truth as a DOD contractor.
    If the dot.gov wants something really bad, sometimes they get it really bad. ;)
     
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    i doubt we'll see cheap chinese bevs, unless xi can appease trump

    chevy equinox ev base price is $35k, and hopefully the bolt family in late '25 starting in the mid to high 20's.
    tariff on parts could drive those prices up though:400329917
     
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    His scope is larger than BEVs. Mars is a refuge for when we have the next great extinction event. Probably accelerated by whom he hangs out with.

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    Isn't a magnetosphere sort of 'desirable' for a planet to be habitable?
    Not just for the radiation but also for the atmosphere according to our credentialed 'betters???'
    Gee I do not know but wouldn't it be easier to just fix the rock we're ON rather than clean-sheet a whole new eco-system?
    I get 'infesting' another rock as a land-grab to perpetuate our kind but if we cannot take care of this one, why think that we're going to 'be better' with the otha one.
    Is there no end to human chutzpah?

    I saw the P45 movie - and so I'm not afraid of the sequel.
    I've revised no plans or goals.
    There's not very much that's going to be different between P47 and P45/47 except that now the extremists in the otha half of the country will be butt sore for a few years and Alec Baldwin might get to shoot a third person, only on live TV this time, while hundreds are watching.


    Meet the new boss.....
    Same as the old boss.
     
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    Going to Mars is like buying an EV, different with new problems to solve. Our Marian invaders will face huge problems which are not trivial. The thin atmosphere being number one on my list.

    I would rather send colonies of extreme bacteria and simpler life samples and see how they evolve. The more complex the critter, the harder to evolve in a new, extreme world.

    Start with ones closest to Mars environments.

    I do agree we should do our homework on Earth first but I am not a 74 year old fanatic. Finding more efficient ways to live is what I’m about. Lead by finding an optimum path and not pull the ladder up behind me.

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    "I would rather send colonies of extreme bacteria and simpler life samples and see how they evolve." An interesting idea that could be done in parallel with human efforts. Prodding evolution towards extremophiles might give humanity new, improved enemies though. Topics for sci fi writers;

    Neither Moon nor Mars are well suited to be humanity's next home. They both suck (playing on low atmospheric pressures). They are both subject to extreme solar activity that might trouble earth's future. Yet they are nearby and one must practice somewhere. Also, subsurfaces on each could be useful repositories for genetic material of humans and our favorite animal species. Analogous to Svalbard seed banking. Come to think of it, Svalbard could be good for that as well, without all the rocketry.

    A good second home would be some planet not in need of terraforming at some other star not too terribly far away. No candidates have yet been identified. That does not matter yet, as technology to get there would be developed in far future. We hope.