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Supercharger progress

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Travel review from a BEV forum:

    "-Charging cost. This is ridiculous in my honest opinion. We chose to drive our Tesla across country hoping it would save a little bit on fuel cost (diesel is about $5/gal where I live and superchargers are like $0.33/kwh). Once we get past Idaho, SC costs raged from $0.37/kwh to $0.48/kwh. The whole trip used 3.1mwh and cost me about $1300 in electricity. But, also as I got past Idaho, cost of gas and diesel fell significantly. The cheapest we saw gas was at buc-ees in NE TN. Gas was just over $2/gal and diesel was about $2.30/gal (or $1.67/gal gas $2.06/gal diesel if you bought a car wash) and the average cost of diesel through the US was about $3/gal. MY F-350 at its worst of 18 mpg when not towing over 7000 miles results in 390 gals of diesel, it probably would have used closer to 325-350 gals of diesel for the whole trip. At an average cost of $3/gal, it means I spent MORE to drive my Tesla as compared to my F-350 which is about twice the size (long bed crew cab) and weighs almost 2,000lbs more than the CT. The higher cost and the longer wait to charge will kill the potential of any mass adoption for EVs outside of commuting."

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    people who try to save money driving cars are entertaining
     
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    trying to read the graph, does it show about 20k superchargers in the last year or so?
     
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    I know I'm seeing many more SuperChargers along the usual routes I travel ... especially around large urban areas. Pretty much any Interstate has them just outside the City boundaries in a shopping center parking lot.

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    I would like to see charger subsidies crafted so every Waffle House or other 24x7 fast food place has at least two, L2 charging parking spots with a minimum 30 minute "grace" period.

    Also, tech training for charger installation and repair.

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    About as funny to me as people betting on the latest market trends, especially the winners stories.
     
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    This isn't news. Fast DC chargers cost more than gas because they don't have other revenue streams like gas stations. With most miles being fueled by home charging for many, the fuel costs still end up favoring the EV.
     
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    as long as we keep subsidizing oil, the progress will be slower. but it's a double edged sword. oil has many benefits.
     
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    That graph looks far more like a Powerpoint concept image than actual data. It is quite difficult to find real world data looking that smooth.
     
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    Use PlugShare to filter SuperChargers.

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    Which filter will show me a historical graph of SuperCharger counts by year?
     
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    This is how I use Plugshare for NACS, J3400, plugs. The power rating eliminates the L2 versions so only fast DC charging locations are shown and counted, 642 stations in this area. Each station will have 6-24+ charging lanes.
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    So run the Plugshare report monthly. This will give a station count that times the estimated number of charging lanes per station, and voila. Select a set of stations to see the lanes and calculate the average. But I have a narrower interest.

    The route from Huntsville to the Tunica, the red circled SuperChargers were the only ones available in 2019 when I bought my Tesla:
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    Today, I charge a Florence, a midway, on a direct route. No more 40-50 mile diversions.

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