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Trying to understand hybrid battery better

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Jkman, Oct 17, 2024 at 1:12 PM.

  1. Jkman

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    I replaced the OE battery for better or worse with a Nextcell lithium. Dr Prius shows some blocks seem to always read lower.

    The cumulative delta voltage is higher and the internal resistance is higher for the same blocks.

    Also, the state of charge is continually between 57% and 70% but not higher with the voltage difference between .08 and .14 volts. Blade voltage is 8.18. Shouldn't the battery charge to more than 70%? It's typically more like 60-65%.

    Is this normal? I recently cleaned the copper contacts in the harness.

    Is the internal resistance only from the harness? Might there be any reason to clean the contacts better on the blocks in question? The internal resistance with the batteries warm ranges from 18 milli-ohms to 22 which doesn't seem like much.

    I see posts about the app but no hard numbers on what is correct and I'm trying to get educated.

    My main concern is that this battery last. The rest of the car is decent even with 250,000 mi.
     
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    Here’s a recent screenshot.
     

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    i would change the title to 'trying to understand nexcell lithium battery'

    or something that will attract the eye of nexcell users
     
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    "Internal resistance", in electronics, is a way of understanding the real-life behavior of a voltage source. In a battery, most of it comes from the chemistry and construction of the battery itself,

    For any real-world voltage source, its voltage will decrease as you draw current from it. For engineering purposes, you can treat the real-world source as if it were an ideal voltage source (constant voltage unaffected by current) in series with a notional ideal resistor. Dividing the real-world voltage drop by the current gives you the resistance in ohms of that "resistor", and that's what an engineer means by "internal resistance".

    In a Prius battery, of many modules linked together by bus bars, the "internal resistance" of the whole battery does end up including the actual resistance of the bus bars and bus-bar-to-post connections too.

    Each per-block internal resistance figure calculated by the ECU includes the actual resistance of a couple bus bars and their bar-to-post connections, as well as the internal resistance of the two modules making up the block.

    The skinny-wire voltage sense harness back to the ECU does not contribute to internal resistance, as it carries none of the discharge/charge current and only serves to sample voltages at several points along the current path.
     
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