Just need to vent...

my parents never taught me gun safety, and i never taught our children.
gubmint gun training? am i missing out?

 

I think you are too old for govt. training. I got it free of charge...and a free souvenir outfit. It said United States Coast Guard.

But my son and daughter were taught firearms safety by me by the time they were 10.

My cousin was a bit extreme. He taught his kids at age 5. Even made the news because of it.

 

Not if you don't own or operate a firearm.

Personally I think that if the government were truly interested in reducing then they would teach basic gun safety in a nation where there are (by some sources) more guns than cars.

BUT then.....I suppose I should be careful what I wish for.
Americans are shockingly poor drivers.....


What?
No takers for the 'jelly on a sausage biscuit' topic?
(quick bread biscuit - NOT a cookie biscuit!!)

 

Some of the best meatball cocktail sauce uses grape jelly

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I got my gun safety fairly early from my dad (who got his free of charge, with a souvenir outfit).

He taught me pretty well at the time. Nevertheless, I did later live in a house with two small-caliber holes in the family room ceiling, one put there (in different accidents) by each of my parents.

 

Good point, but in minute quantities.
It's the culinary equivalent of cottage cheese being an active ingredient in lasagna for a curds and whey loather.....

I'm reminded of the first time I was confronted with a BBQ sandwich decision involving coleslaw - something my Hoosier upbringing failed to prepare me for.
The 'server' asked me if I wanted the slaw on the sandwich and I gave her a Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot look and said something to the effect of:
"Why?!?! Is that the only way it will fit on the plate?"
Now that I've spent more than four decades on the right side of the Mason-Dixon line, I cannot imagine getting a GOOD BBQ sandwich any other way.

I was hoisted with my own petard with the grape jelly since I insist that my sweet grandchildren sample a dish in my presence before declaring that they 'don't like' something.
If my middle girl - a fearless, whip smart hyper-assertive and dangerously cute lass who basks in the certain knowledge that she WILL be a girl boss one day EVER found out that her Pap had never tried grape jelly on his sausage biscuit....

It's like riding motorcycles.
They require motorcycle training classes because there are three types of riders....
Those that HAVE and those that WILL do down on their bike, or those that aren't riders.

This is why you generally have to break more than one the four primary rules of firearm safety for something bad to happen.

 

My Dad serviced 3 tours in Vietnam so I remember firing one of his many shotguns at the range when I could barely walk....weapon safety was always big in our house. He drove an old Ford 1960's pickup truck and I remember the rifle rack mounted on the back window with his Remington 30-06 for deer hunting...I still have that thing and I can hit a quarter at 250 years!! (I was, also, a qualified marksman on two weapons in the military.)

 

Don't forget border petrol, not that anyone whom might live near one of the nations borders ( land sea or air ) might even know of that agencies existence. ( if you know, ( no / know ) need to explain it in political terms, I've already got that part of politics, thanks ).

 

It wasn't uncommon to see rifle racks in my school parking lot with rifles in them, and we had a student smoking area outside the library.

Now?
They will arrest you if you try to smoke anywhere on campus and GOD FORBID you have even an empty rifle rack in your vehicle.

 

Anyone following the future ai predictions from the devs at the top of the food chain? How automated is defense already? Lord help us / we !!

 

I bet lots of stories in that house..

My father did not particularly like guns. And seeing we mostly lived on a back to the land diet --- meaning we grew and raised what we ate -- meat -- while not particularly frowned upon was not a large part of meals.

Guns were around and were treated as any useful tool. You do not hand a child a saber saw unless they are old enough, been trained and demonstrate maturity and proficiency.

Same with guns. ALL gun training took place outside. Like dirty boots, loaded guns never entered the house. Oh, and my dad being my dad. Boy/girl, did not matter. We all were trained. Oh, sort of forgot. When I was a young teen -- 12 or 13???--- the local sporting club held a multiweek gun training class for teens.

My dad made me go. I hated it. Room mostly filled with obnoxious teen boys. I managed to beg my friend Kayla to come along. YUCK.
kris

 

Yup.

If it could fly at 1454 ft/sec that whole time, that distance would be about 3.5 terameters. Not bad.

It would suck to run out on the wrong side.

 

I grew up with 3 older sisters and a younger brother who arrived 6 years after me. Both dad and our older brother had military clearances and engineering licenses in 2 different fields, by the time I was 14. My namesake had his natural sciences research classified upon his death and the US entrance into WW2. I have no clearance. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out what effects the family dynamics has had on parents, siblings, neighbors and school friends after I'd found out about my grandfather older brother around age 30.
Now that I know some of the string of events, I"m proud to carry the name even if on many levels my life could have been a lot easier for me to handle if I'd leaned or heard anything about whos name I carry before I'd stumbled onto the information myself. I don't even know if any of my brothers or sisters know. weird?

edit still trying to understand the difference of nurture vs nature from a strange place and time.

 

My gun safety training was received in several phases:
1) dad, starting well before I was old enough for a hunting license;
2) public junior high school, just before hunting season, the year most turned legal hunting age;
3) college ROTC rifle team (the only thing I did with ROTC);
4) defensive training classes (coincident with obtaining first concealed weapon permit);
5) target league competition.

The later several were significantly more rigorous than the first couple. The public school gun safety day (for all students of that grade level, and ending with live fire practice at the local National Guard Armory) predated that state's hunter safety training requirement, which is more complete and now offered to even younger students.

At that time and place, Driver Education was also part of the public school system, though after hours. Where I live now, Driver Education has been completely divorced from public schools, shifted to private enterprise. Don't even think about gun safety training for students.

Dad admitted to several unexpected shots over his life, all before we arrived. One into the sky, one into a stump he was examining through the scope.

There is a bit of a parallel to the commercial aviation industry here. While there are still some exceptions, the bulk of fatal airline incidents now are not from single points of failure, but rather from the convergence of multiple faults. If any one of those faults had been prevented, or corrected before other faults appeared, the 'flight anomaly' tragedies would not have happened.

I've had three or four 'unexpected' discharges over my life, so far. All hit the paper targets I was getting prepared to shoot, one was even a good score. All the other safety layers held -- the trigger squeeze was premature, but the loaded firearm was already pointed at the planned target (just pointed, not really aimed) mounted in front of a proper backstop, after the range safety officer had given permission to fire.

Very unlike a certain actor-producer who instead completely replied on a single bogus 'safety rule' of trusting the person handing him the firearm. "I wasn't responsible". Reagan knew better: Trust, but verify.

 

Thanks for the typo corrections, Mendel!!

Funny story, my son-in-law is a great guy but wasn't brought up around weapons. So, one Saturday, we grabbed my Glocks and Remington and a few targets and filled up my ammo bag and headed out to my shooting club range.
The kid LOVED shooting so much he shot EVERY round I had in my bag....not a cheap date, for sure, but made me proud. People are naturally afraid of what they don't know so it's our duty to mentor the younger generation....else we'll end up like Australia where they confiscated everyone's ability to defend themselves.

 

There ARE no 'accidental discharges' with firearms.
The term that we used in the USN - ALWAYS used, was 'negligent discharge.'

If he learns how to shoot properly, it will be worth EVERY PENNY.

Yeah.
It's expensive.
I NEED to get back out on the range for some stress relief and an excuse to do some reloading.
I've been tinkering with radios and antennae lately, and my sweet wife is convinced that I'm incapable of having a cheap hobby,

As for the political part - we'll leave that to the kids in the basement.....

 

The Michigan left - Wikipedia

These turns are used around my parents' place. The issue isn't with the turn layout itself, but with what it means for low speed vehicles.

My parents are down to one car, and I was thinking a LSV, like a GEM, would serve them well. The strip mall in front of their development has many of their need. The one across the highway has more, including a Lowes and Walmart. A GEM could meet 90% of their driving needs. If they still had the old intersections, as LSVs can legally cross roads that have higher posted speed limits than they're restricted too. But a Michigan turn means getting onto the highway. Thus a LSV is stuck to their development.