... salt water intrusion issue ~

Around here, float-able water on roads is rarely still, usually flowing. So when a vehicle does float off its traction, the current usually carries it off the road and downstream to deeper water, often out of easy discovery view or reach of potential rescuers. So when it eventually does sink, or gets trapped by or under water hazards, the occupants are usually on their own, without assistance, until too late.

 

I should note that I was thinking of overall motor vehicle risk, not their far smaller fire risk.

 

TV coverage of evacuation for Milton mentioned a public parking garage (in Tampa?) where EVs needed to be on third floor or above. Also a home somewhere structurally survived H. Helene storm surge (unknown if extensive water damage inside) there was an EV in attached garage that burned the house. So EV salt immersion is a thing being considered, and fire happened at least once.

 

Still waiting for my 0500 briefing.
Tampa/St Pete is forecast to be in the 'sucks less' quadrant with a forecast Cat 4 intensity.
Forecasters are necessarily paid pessimists, and my nearly 40 years of dealing with autumnal storms informs me that this is a wise strategery.

WRT BEVs:
In a post-storm environment I would think that state of charge and a spare tire would trump a third story location (45'?)
Because:
Roofing nails - BTDT.

That's why all of our company vehicles are required to have spare tires and patching kits.

If I had a BEV I would be more tempted to use it as an electrical 'spit can' rather than a proper vehicle.
They're the automotive equivalent of a hummingbird.
A marvelous engineering achievement, but gossamer fragile 'in the real world.' with 2020's tech.

Really.

Politics aside - GET a friggin spare tire and leverage your battery post-storm.
Or?
Better yet - make good use of your socio-economic status and GTFO!!!
ANYBODY with a BEV has the funds, and needs to be 3 counties away and accelerating by now.
Evacuate, and come back in a few weeks.

Your call.....

 

I noticed the gas stations ran dry before the grid went down.

Bob Wilson

 

My latest intel brief says that the traffic is moving with no major issues.

We're at landfall minus 24.
If you ain't got a full bag of gas and spare cans by now you're a future victim.
A BEV driver south of Ocala is little more than a potential drain on first responders - unless you're using vehicle's battery as a semi-mobile power source.
It really COULD be value add.
Haul your solar panels inside, hunker down, and use both in the 'post-storm' phase.
You know....
4 weeks from now when everybody else has moved on to the next 'firefly......'

IYKYK

 

The eye is visible on radar. But at this time, 6 AM, the wind is parallel to the shore. Naple tide is still going down.

IMHO, the tip of Florida and the Keys will be subject to the strongest winds out of the West and maximum surge effects. Not that anyone is really free but relative to other parts of the Florida West coast.

When it reaches The Atlantic, Kennedy Space Flight Center will be in trouble. Titusville too. Been there when I was working.

Bob Wilson

 

Not really 'trouble' but it will impact their launch schedule for a week or three.

If you live in Florida, and you cannot shrug off a Cat-2 storm (forecast intensity in PCAN @ +36) then you need to move to California.....

 

The news I'm seeing is that even in hard-hit Tampa, the majority of stations still have gas. E.g.:

"Nearby, motorist Ralph Douglas said some gas stations in Ruskin, where he lives, ran out of gas, but he was able to find fuel elsewhere."

 

if you leave florida, know the nature of hurricane paths, where is the safest place to go?

 

Safest from Hurricanes?

Maybe Canada?
But then....are you really 'safe?'

Canada has their weather phenoms too - and people HAVE been known to die from 'exposure' from time to time.

I'm sure that '$cience' will inform us as to which is the more hospitable environment - but I will stay in hurricane country for now.
Seems to me that you get a little more advance warning that way....

 

Asheville?

Natural and man-made disasters happen everywhere. Be best we can do is make sure housing codes mitigate the problems as best we can:

• tornado shelter - East of Rockies and West of Appalachia
• raised houses and buildings - within 5 miles of any coast
• California - unburnable surface around each property
• e.t.c.

Bob Wilson

 

mandatory notice from the us government to potential home buyers:

we will not come to your rescue if you buy in these disaster prone areas.

they used to do that with flood insurance if you needed a mortgage. still might, idk.

 

After the Mississippi floods, Bill Clinton relocated at least one town and limited flood insurance for structures in the flood plain ... especially those in areas used as flood plains to mitigate high water.

Bob Wilson

 

he was a wise man and a good moderate president

 

And a sexual predator.

 

On a scale of 1 to 10:

1. Pope
2. ...
3. Serial wives
4. ...
5. Bill Clinton
6. ...
7. Elon Musk
8. ...
9. Matt Gaetz
10. Jeffrey Epstein and Trump

Bob Wilson

 

Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, and numerous others deserve more credit than that. But for some reason, Slick Willey's apologists seem to use the case of a nominally consenting intern as an excuse to sweep it all away.

Bill Clinton sexual assault and misconduct allegations - Wikipedia

At around that time, an attorney giving us a mandatory workplace seminar, stated that a week earlier, a manager or boss dropping his pants in front of an underling, and asking them to kiss it, was a form of actionable sexual harassment in all 50 states. But after a certain infamous court ruling just a few days before our mandatory seminar, that was reduced to just 49 states, not Arkansas.

P.S. P45 flew on Epstein's 'Lollita Express' at least 7 times, but only between Florida and New York, not to 'Epstein Island'. Slick Willey flew it more than two dozen times to many locations, though at the moment I'm not getting a clear reminder about trips to the infamous island.

 

anyone still waiting on the M2 or the Toyota entries scheduled for 26 or 27. I know I can't wait another day, month, year or 2.

 

Will they have salt water intrusion issues?
Be able to float?
Perhaps have a large traction battery?

A brother of mine had a "Mr. 2" back in the day.
Fun car, but something of a hangar queen.
I think a moderately priced, rear-wheel drive, 2 seat, three pedal convertible would go far in addressing Toyota's stodgy street cred - especially if they can keep the street price under $40,000......and make it look like something other than a re-badged Camry/Corolla/Prius.