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Codes after new headgasket. Water pump.

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    Anyhelp with these codes . Car runs decent. New plugs and coils coming today.
     

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    Since they're all historic faults I would clear them and see if they come back.
     
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    As you Google historic or permanent codes you will find out there are processes to drive them out of the system It is quite a chore for most people as you have to pay attention and do certain things most people just drive and forget about it because the codes aren't on their screen in their car and when something does come on and a light comes on again like the check engine light you will not be looking at the word historic on your code reader You will see that it's active or pending those are the buzzwords you're looking for It do make a difference on how things are written apparently historic is not something you want to worry about unless you're a historian are you studying your car or driving it exactly forget the history enjoy the drive You've done a bunch of work better use that work up before the next problem arises It's time to start thinking about a new or real car
     
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    Right, those will go away on their own one by one as soon as the car convinces itself each problem has been fixed.

    If you are in some kind of a hurry—say, if an inspection date is coming up and they will care about those historic codes—then you can look in the repair manual and each code will have its own "confirmation driving pattern" that you can follow to make sure the car detects it is fixed. But if you're not in that sort of hurry, it's easier to just live your life and let those codes go away when they do.

    If you are in a hurry and want to follow the confirmation patterns, you should know that those patterns generally start with doing a code clear, and any time you do that, all of the car's continuous monitors reset to 'incomplete'—not just the ones you are interested in. And if you're in a hurry because of an upcoming inspection, be aware that you'll need to wait for all of those monitors to show 'complete' again (or drive all of the associated confirmation patterns).
     
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    it's kinda weird. i put like 50 miles on the car. slight miss. did not have this before removing the head. during start up some small rumble now. car seems to run ok.but not as good as it did.
    got my new coild and plugs installed after this post. sos. nothing better..wondering what would cause this. checked all my senor's and connection's . now idle's ok . but tommorow is the city test of 40 city mile's . engine temp reaches about 185 F .. any input would help.,
    thank you..
     
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    A more complete description of how the car acts in various scenarios would help.

    Does it clear up when you give it gas?

    Small rumble on startup makes me think the head gasket job didn't take. Is that different than the death rattle? Did you get a chance to examine the old spark plugs?

    Did you do the head gasket job yourself?
     
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    Did the head gasket myself. Under power runs decent.when under a load better. Idle off and on good. This is why I don't think head gasket.
    Almost like sensor. Plugs all good.. kinda a combo of rattle when starting than it goes away many times starting.
    And sometimes minor death rattle..
    Maybe a good point on gasket not take.
     
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    Also if you think the headgasket could have not taken. What are these symptoms if not taking??
     
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    Engine rattling on startup and misfires while the coolant gets 'burned off'. Best bet might be to buy a borescope to look in the cylinders assuming you've double checked everything else involved in the head gasket job like gaskets, vacuum lines, etc.
     
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    I got a cheap borascope from Amazon that hooks to my android. The picture quality is so poor. I will post cly. Thur scope and after head removal. No coolant loss now?? Plugs are very consistent. All slight brown. Before change today. If head gasket did not take?? I would think I would be leaking coolant into engine. Maybe if you are correct. Maybe I have a slight leak of compression..I think it's a loose sensor connection .the bottom pictures are not good. The one piston looks carbon. Upon removal. The pistons were all decent. Small build up only. $25 scope is a $25 scope. Junk.
     

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    If it’s not a severe death rattle this time the most common problem is timing chain off by one tooth.
     
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    Yes that could be. If so what could happen. And if during the weekend if still not proper . As it runs great that ok. Almost like a miss fire but not always. Would that be a chain off 1 tooth intermittent running?? Or steady..
    If it don't go away. Should I pull the covers and recheck the timing?? Chain...
    Also yes 100% not always a death rattle..
     
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    This makes good sense
     
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    Update.
    Driving today . Car is running good with pwr. But poor mpg 33. As per 38+ and that small death rattle when starting.
    I believe the head gasket may be OK. No lose of oil or coolant.
    I am thinking about the timing off maybev1 tooth. What do you think. And if so. My old hands are sore..62.. haha.
    Next week if stable. Remove timing cover and check ??
    Engine temp is very good. .
     
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    I think you only need to remove the valve cover to be able to check timing. You can see the crank shaft timing mark through the timing chain cover.

    With a small head gasket leak you probably wouldn't notice low coolant for a while so I wouldn't completely rule that out. You might consider re-checking with the borescope after you take the spark plugs out if/when you remove the valve cover.
     
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    When checking the timing chain marks, it's been mentioned by ChapmanF here that it can take up to 9 revolutions of the chain before the marks line up again.

    If it comes to reinstall of chain: IIRC crankshaft normal rotation is clockwise, and when you've armed and installed the timing chain tensioner, you need to rotate crankshaft counterclockwise some, say 20 degrees (??), and maybe you can hear the tensioner release.

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    Thank you. I did this with tensioner. Heard the click.
    Found the vacuum surge connector off. Plugged in no codes now. A slight rumble sometimes when acceleration. And gas motor starting. Going to drive it 1 week. Than maybe check timing chain. Alot of pwr like before.
    Thanks for all you guys do..
    Mpg was poor this morning like 28. I will repost this afternoon after work. I drive in big city on cool days 70 or so.
    I avg like 38
     
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    What's crazy with this car. I had small vibration when I got it 1.5 years ago. All said headgasket. I put egr cooler cleaning and rumble went almost away. The battery was weak. HYBRID . Replaced it. Rumble almost gone.
    Lost some coolant. This is many , many months later.
    Pulled head. The gasket looked good cly. Very good and valves.
    Not it's rumbling again on take off and starting small. Purge valve connection was off.
    The car is fast uses no oil. But the rumble is driving me nuts. I did take off the fuel injectors. Coils were wore out do to old age.
    The injectors were dirty on outside and inside. Used carb cleaner to clean. Going to invest in a set of injectors as I had this vibration. Off and on since day 1. I like the car.
     
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    did not come back