Just need to vent...

why would a 2017 priushave 3 different 12 volt batteries?

 

Well we've had good luck with the OEM batteries in the first two cars we got new....the battery in the 2008 Corolla lasted almost 7 years and in the 2014 Tundra, it lasted just over 5 and that's about 2-years longer than the ones I've gotten from O'Reilly Car Parts. (Tundra is too big or the garage so gets the temps of -20 to 99 or -29 to 37 for you Celsius folks!
Looking on my dealer website, I'm hoping mine is the one listed which is $201 and I can ask to use my military discount...should knock it down to $181....I'll know Thursday when I can stop in.

 

Went to Toyota of Manhattan I see?

 

What? $164 for an oil change? Call 911 and report a robbery!!

 

Very unlikely they changed the design 3 times- but quite likely that they had more than one supplier, and needed to differentiate the stock with different part numbers. They may not all have been available at the same times or in the same regions.

Something like this happened with the 12v battery for our car, which is the only way I learned about it.

 

As we thought, the 12-volt battery I needed in the 2017 Prius was just the standard Toyota TrueStart (Part #00544-H4470-TS) $208 and has an 84-month warranty. So my daughter will be all set to get the car....I'll do a quick oil change and tire rotation before driving it down to Arkansas for her in about a month.

 

I think our old Prius has spoiled me!

We are beginning to think about our next car purchase in 4 more years.

After owning a Prius years ago I can't imagine owning a primary car that doesn't get 50 mpg, + we like driving on electric so we would want a PHEV that gets at least 30 miles electric range. The bad news- there are only two cars in the world that can get 50 mpg and go over 30 miles on electric only and are sold in the USA - The good news, they are both under $35,000.

I hope Toyota will make a Corolla PHEV, Camry PHEV and Toyota Corolla Cross PHEV in the next few years - all three would get over 50 mpg and could be built to get over 30 miles electric range and probably bump up against the $35,000 price range. The RAV Prime meets the over 30 miles for electric but doesn't have impressive mpg (compared to the Prius Prime and Niro PHEV) and pushes around $45,000 if you can find one outside the West Coast. The RAV Prime is a very nice vehicle and fits many people's needs just not ours.

I think Toyota would find these vehicles, Corolla PHEV, Camry PHEV and Toyota Corolla Cross PHEV would fly off the lots. They would fit many people's lifestyles - eliminate/be an alternate consideration instead of BEV's for many, eliminate the concerns with BEV's that customers have and be wonderful economic cars for many customers - and selfishly - it would give me many more choices to meet our new vehicle criteria.

 

The makers need to be targeting a 50 mile EV range for their PHEVs, in order to comply with the upcoming state bans on new gas-only cars. They have until MY2035 to meet that target, though sooner is better.

A couple years ago, when these were not being sold in Washington, and Oregon wouldn't sell them to Washingtonians except in border counties, I was finding some people who got theirs from New York. RAV4 Primes didn't start coming into WA until just over a year ago. I acquired one six months ago.

For raw MPG, while it does fall short of the Prius it replaced, it is using less overall fuel than the Prius did, thanks to lots of EV miles. And, it also displaces the great majority of miles that were being put on the household's Subaru, for a lot more fuel savings.

 

The future gas car rules are proposals, goals, or actual passed laws ready to go in effect?

 

d.) None of the above.
Just.....rules.
Penned by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats.

That's why Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo and Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce was so very important!

 

Depends on the jurisdiction. California's is essentially an extension of their ZEV program. It increases the percent new car sales requirement up past what the law initially maxed out at. Eventually it will reach 100%(will allow PHEVs). CARB does have the option to adjust targets on market and technology feasibility.

 

In my state, the elected state legislature turned the California rules into law.

RCW 70A.30.010

WA Dept of Ecology: Zero-emission vehicles (ZEV)
"Plug-in hybrid vehicles, which combine a gas engine with a battery-electric system, will qualify for the 2035 ZEV standard as long as they can travel at least 50 miles on battery power."


Many other states have also joined:

"As of August 2022, fourteen states have adopted both California’s ZEV program as well as the LEV standards: Colorado, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington. Delaware, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia are following California’s LEV standards but have not adopted the ZEV program. Together, all 17 of these states and the District of Columbia are referred to as “Section 177 states.”"

Like California's original ZEV mandate for the 1990s, I haven't been confident that all this will go into effect on schedule. Expect delays.

 

Yep, Toyota owners have NO IDEA how good we have it. I peruse many other forums (Ford, Suzuki, Hyundai, Mazda) and find major issues with other makes that are barely 3-4 years old yet most of the gripes on Toyota Forums are for things like a 1995 Corolla or 1993 Previa!! (Only modern gripes are with the infotainment systems but we long-term owners totally understand that....not going away!!)

 

Okay check out this stupid SOB from my home state of Maine....this clown needs his license taken away FOREVER!

Read for yourself....

Overweight truck falls through historic covered bridge, plunges into river | KTVU FOX 2

Oh the website didn't report some minor details:

Dump Truck: F-750 which weighs 36,000 pounds....a load of gravel can weight 30,000-50,000 pounds....

How did the guy survive? I have no idea....the Lord has mercy on the retards of the world (I think that's in the Holy Bible somewhere!) ;-)

 

Since this is a complaint thread, I wish the governments would stop making arbitrary requirements for cars. Is there any advantage in day to day use for a BEV that has a range of 300 miles if it's used strictly for running errands around town? Statistics say that the average (not a commuter) USA driver does not exceed 35 miles a day. Any battery larger than that is sort of wasted most of the time in non commute circumstances. Of course, there are use cases where a larger battery is needed for inter region travel, but the PHEV design covers that without needing exceedingly large batteries.

I found that the Gen4 Prius Prime worked quite well for my uses with just about 30 miles per charge. A low amperage charger at home and another at work would have worked quite well to provide door to door EV travel without needing superchargers. Now that I don't commute I can get by with a simple level 2 charger at home and still have plenty of charge left after every errand.

 

Perhaps the point being missed here is best illustrated thus;
"gas car/trucks shouldn't have more than 4 gallon fuel tanks ... as most aren't used over 35 miles per day."
In simplest terms, you DON'T just manufacture a vehicle for the usual use. You also use it for the extreme use if you want to get more buyers to purchase it as an all purpose vehicle (when you can't afford 2 or more vehicles). Ancillary purpose vehicles are not the hot ticket item(s). Not everyone buys harleys, or a vetts, micro cars - for a reason. You need to sell what sells the MOST in order to profit.
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Drivers of overweight trucks giving the finger to "government regulations" and getting caught taking down historic wooden covered bridges has been a big problem in many states.

This is part of the reason the national inventory of historic covered bridges, keeps shrinking.

 

What arbitrary government requirement pertains to EVs needing to have long ranges? Wasn't the original Leaf perfectly compliant even with a much shorter range?