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blown head gasket P0301 P0302 P0300 ?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Alain D, Aug 11, 2024.

  1. Alain D

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    Background:
    * 2014 Prius with 205k
    * bought the car at 150k (was uber) and did right away the EGR cooler (quite clogged)/pipe/valve, new PCV valve and added an Oil Catch Can to prevent future cleanups, cleaned intake manifold (had pool of oil) 4 small holes (also clogged) using @NutzAboutBolts videos
    * spark plugs were changed at ~140k (iridium bosh) by prev owner
    * car never burns any oil (I believe 2014 has fixed ring redesign), changed every 5-6k, and I get maybe half a finger worth in the OCC (milky smell like gas+oil)

    What happened
    * got engine light check for P0301 cylinder 1. cleared it and came back but didn't feel misfire
    * one morning started the car and bad shaking for 15+ sec, strong smell of gas in the exaust

    since EGR should still be clean and newer spark plugs (and unlikely coil going bad especially now that it's 2 cylinder) I thought maybe fuel injector are dirty (gas smell above) so I poured a bottle of Techron Fuel cleaner into my 7gallon filled tank (didn't have luxury of mostly empty tank unlike directions, and syphoning gas didn't work). Decided to drive it one more day about 70 miles.

    * mostly cylinder 1 (oh oh) but also occasionally getting cylinder 2, and even a P0300 (multiple misfire)
    * notice the coolant appear 2" low (keeping an eye now) but not driving the car anymore since it might be a HG instead of dirty injectors ?
    * the few times I noticed shaking was at low rpm or startup

    Read here combustion leak detector (blue -> yellow) might not work on prius so didn't order one. have not checked pressure in coolant tank yet. Thinking of using a boriscope to see inside cylinder 1 and see if I see any coolant but wondering if there something easier I should try first.

    I did a big preventive maintenance with the EGR to prevent this from happening 50k ago and here am I now. I drive an EV now so this is my daughters car, but I don't know I'll ever buy gas car again... :(
     
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    And about 100k too late; head gasket failing.

    A third gen for sale with 150K is almost guaranteed to be a dumped-by-owner scenario. Any evidence of stop-leak product?
     
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    Don't fix it get your daughter a realistic car for a young person whatever that might be a Chevrolet Aveo a generation 2 a Chevy bolt maybe there's a lot out there to mull over that's for sure But don't waste time fixing the G3 seriously you'll just be fixing on it all the time moving forward if you enjoy doing that sort of thing then by all means have at it your kids going to want to drive not wait for repairs generally speaking.
     
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    Good advice from Tom. One company near you who has been making a living changing Prius head gaskets for years, now recommends preemptive hg changes before they blow and rebuilt engines after.

    If the car is excellent otherwise and already had a brake booster replacement, you might consider a rebuilt engine from Hybridpit in the LA area.
     
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    That’s the easy method. Do it first thing in morning, day after a drive. Or figure out a way to pressurize the engine coolant circuit, look for coolant tears starting at the head gasket. You’ll need a side viewing boroscope.
     
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    I didn't think about that... but 55k later seems like a long time for that to old up. 150k/10y is when CA hybrid battery warranties expires (I did throuhgly tested the battery with Dr prius app and rejected other cars) so figure that was why, and price reflected that. I assume the only way to know will be to examine the HG if/when I replace it...

    Don't have sideway boroscope, only down so will have to wait to drip down :)

    Didn't know about brake booster issues... will have to research that before spending time or $$ replacing HG. She loves her prius (I drove it tons before getting an EV when she was in College/abroad) and the gas mileage (~44mpg) is prety close to my Tesla (electricity is very expensive in Cali).
     
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    Finally got to try boroscope I bought years ago (for this exact issue I was worry about).

    #1 (misfire) looks very wet (car sat for 4 days) - doesn't smell like gas, and if it was oil I woudl expect to be dirtier ? so maybe coolant... Agrrr.
    #4 (no code) looks rather clean by comparaison though. tiny bit wet looking spot too ???
    #2 (error once) and #3 look totally dry but I realize piston were up so not entire picture and I can't rotate the engine until tomorrow to see...

    spark plugs look indentical (will post pic) other than maybe #1 having a bit cleaner (steam clean) edges... all 4 are very sticky (rust color) on the thread. wonder if he put some anti seize or something.

    Also wondering about the marking H2 B on cylinder head, and if I have the redesigned late 2014 ones and/or fixes ring or if oil consumption going to be the next issue (none so far, 205k).
     

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    4 is way too clean. 1 is also possible and or has a valve seal dumping oil. Talk to Gasketmasters and Hybridpit for a path forward. I would go with a rebuilt engine or a hand picked JDM engine as a distant second choice.

    This recent diagnostic video proves a severe hg leak and offers reasons to swap the engine rather than just the gasket. It is not a Prius and the mechanic (who is also an engineer) suggests this Jeep model does not commonly blow head gaskets. Gen3 Prius’ (Prii) do have common hg issues and the majority have flawed low tension rings, making a used US engine less desirable.
     
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    yeah 4 looks rather clean to me as well yet no error code (just #1 and once #2).

    Doubt I will put an engine in given I've paid $6k for it 5 years ago so it has served me well, but then again kkb private party list it for about the same price still which is insane... doesn't make sense to put $3k+ into it now. either I do the hg myself or find a shop that can do it for around $1k... time to call around.

    man, so much for Toyota reliability. Prius 10-15 (that's 5 years) has so many big problems... and I though I was ahead doing the entire egr/intake/OCC cleanup (a big job in itself).
     
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    A lot depends on its overall condition. In my Texas market a 2014 is still worth an engine.
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    not with 205k!
    35k is a very different beast... and $20k for 2014 is insane when you could probably buy new for not that much more and not have gen3 issues...
     
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    The first ad above (cargurus) has the VIN, which is good to know: piston ring revision began partway through 2014, and can be determined by the VIN.

    FWIW a 3rd Gen short block currently for sale through Toyota dealership should have revised rings, according to The Car Care Nut.
     
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    My 2012v with 313,000 miles would drive, look like and smell like a 35k version if it had a professionally rebuilt engine. The body, paint, transaxle, ac, interior and accessories are very clean and functional. The brake booster and inverter were changed long ago. I could get $10-12k with a like new engine and buyers know value. It takes $40k to get a new equivalent.
     
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    Update: opened my coolant and was under pressure (even cold) and level went back up almost to normal (changed 5k ago) so not sure I'm eating coolant actually...

    1) ran car about 3 times typical 10sec+ (couldn't get service mode to leave engine on for some reason) and no misfire/raddling whatsoever even though car sat for 5 days now and started 3 times.

    2) took pictures right after running and clearly the shinniness is not coolant (would have smoked away ?) but maybe oil residue ?
    2,3,4 cylinder look very similar, with 1 the most dirty (where misfire happens most). Hoping is dirty fuel injector or maybe oil burning (but I'm not loosing anything at 6k oil changes that I recall... maybe need piston ring oil cleaning test. I may get a gas tester next to make sure I'm not getting exaust in the reservoir...

    3) I can see the black hg edges which matches the ones removes (old ones). I see the new ones are grey now


    4) I called gasketmasters (they are about 1h away) and they want $2150 for it. at that point I may do it myself if really hg problem and not something else...
     

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    Can you clarify the orientation of those pic? Each one looks to have a clean spot; is that towards intake or exhaust side?
     
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    just chedked. clear spot is intake side.
    maybe prev owner had it cleaned (don't recall doing it, though maybe I did insert a small stream of mist while running idle - recall seeing videos on that) and since I install an OCC 50k ago (along with cleaned egr/pcv valve) I'm likely not sucking any oil in anymore hence the clean spot.

    I'm going to see if I can borrow a sideway boroscope and coolant pressuring gages before I take anything appart... and maybe drive it some more and carefully mark coolant level.
     

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    now I know for sure :(
    time to get all the parts and try do it myself... damm.
     

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    There's some head gasket related links in my signature. Last link is the full engine section from Repair Manual. (if you're on a phone, turn it landscape to see signatures)

    My 2 cents: get the Toyota gasket kit (includes head gasket plus pretty much every pliable seal, gasket and O-ring in there, and new head bolts. Attached TSB has part no's for both those items. FelPro makes a "kit", the head gasket is good, but the rest of it is a bit of a mishmash.

    Also, Gasket Masters, in their videos, sub Permatex Ultra-Black form-in-place gasket, for the Toyota product. It has a much more leisurely cure time, which is beneficial for DIY, especially on the timing chain cover.

    Full disclosure: I've never personally done anything remotely close to a head gasket replacement, just going with what I've gleaned here, in case I'm ever in this situation with ours. And hoping with all the oz's of prevention I've learned about, I never will have the fun...
     

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    thanks for all the info! for now I ordered felpro gasket + new bolts, I should have all the orings, and was looking at some soft gasket based on Gasket Masters vidoes. like chain tensionner but need to find those part number through dealer (I was going to call them as online is useless unless you have exact part #). Yeah read info on felPro kit, and will price Toyota kit instead.

    I did get the correct double hex CTA 9292 tool (relatively expensive). Don't want to be rounding with a tripple square. Suprised GM would take that risk though for a 'shop'.

    don't know why I didn't do gas test right away (I know because I read someone here saying they don't tend to show on a prius! nah) instead of dealing with boroscope and all...

    as for prevention: EGP pipe is likely a myth. I think more to do with expansion/contraction tousands of times a day with hybrid (uber city mode) vs other cars with same engine but not hybrid having no issues. Also someone said (not verified) GM is doiing a bunch of gen4 as well... so who knows. The only prevention from GM I see is that exaust bypasss... who knows.

    gen3 prius sounds like one of the least reliable Toyotas! oil consumption o-rings, blown head gasket 80-200+k, egr pipe clogging up (with 50k cleanups and/or an OCC) and now I hear brake booster. man... and I thought toyota was the king.
     
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