Who do we trust?

PriusChat has a whole lot of members, who might not all have followed the few threads involved the way you have.

Unless something has changed since the last message from Danny that I saw, 'banned' above should be 'temporarily banned', as explained by Danny so that mudder perhaps can "come back with a different approach."

The whole situation at this point is probably the kind that benefits from all parties steering away from tendentious spinning.

 

I’m not smart enough to understand the science, but I was hoping the technical discussion would lead to safer products

 

There is no need to trust mudder or stencilbox.

Trust however, that the same laws of science apply anywhere and any time.

Repeating their experiments, and gathering different results is your (and jack's) best and only way to prove them wrong.

If you get the same results, no biggie, it simply means there is work to be done to improve the product's reliability and safety. This is Jack's promise of constant iteration and improvement, is it not?

This is how pretty much any scientific disagreement is solved.

 

I know I trust John Sullivan’s expertise and experience far more than the SoCal sales crew.

 

This thread was definitely created in the correct sub-forum, "Fred's House of Pancakes". I will give you credit for that.

As far as two members that live and/or used to live in Texas are friends, I see no proof given for that statement. I think that there have been many millions of people who live and/or used to live in Texas. Does this mean they are all friends with each other?

 

I don't remember starting this thread, maybe cause of the response I got from Chapman and the less volatile post from mutter whom wasn'[t offensive at all in his post, but did confirm what I read in his post months eariler at insightcentral.
Discussion: NexPower V3 Sodium-ion Battery Announcement | PriusChat


Don't get me wrong, mutters project is as good for a gen 1 honda insight as @jacktheripper project is for the Toyota and GM cars he already supports, besides his original Gen 2. I'm #156 private vvillovv
But that the thing, mutters project is still beta, soon to be sold as a kit. for around $2500 minimun.

And mutters interest in the Prius community (so far anyways) is for the $ he thinks is available from the Prius community - see his post in the link above. Only read Chapman post if you want a good laugh at my expense.

His interest in a Prius lithium replacement for Prius NiMH is not like his interest in his own Gen 1 insight.
His profile sig is NiMH is dead.
Keep in mind none of the projects at insightcental for the Gen 1 insight ever supported any other honda except the gen 1 insight, except maybe the mind numbing work reported by Peter in the UK that he did on the Gen 2 Civic.

Maybe I'm out of place for reporting here. Both chap and mutter went on my ignore list. And it seems to me this subject is not gonna cool off anytime soon, which kinda sucks for me as I'd like to ask Jack if he might be able to make 11 cylinder stick pairs for my old hybrid, but wouldn't until mutter backs off with his capitalism 101.

 

mutters gone, so ask away. i've never been a mod (or a site owner) and i respect their decisions.
my preference is for deleting offensive posts. i've never had anything against jack, and often recommend dr. prius

 

Thank you for the warm welcome to the table.

 

There's a special kind of pain when you realize you've been betrayed by those you thought were friends… not once, but twice.

First, it was TheLastMojo, and now Stencil_box—both of them swayed by Mudder, who seemed more focused on tearing me down than anything else. It’s heartbreaking to see how easily people you trusted can turn against you by listening to the so-called expert, all in the name of competition.

But I will not give up, I am committed to bringing the V3 sodium-ion battery to market, even if it means taking out a loan. This is my way of thanking those who have supported me and this project in the past 7 years. I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

Jack

 

@jacktheripper ,

I have seen the following question asked a few times on this forum, and I have not seen a reply. Can you please tell everyone about your formal education (degree earned and major) and your work experience before starting project lithium?

Thank you for your reply.

 

Ok, @jacktheripper , and for Jack only, for transparency, so what was the reason @2k1Toaster tried explaining to you very early on, that the Prius NiMH control system would cause problems with your lithium battery version? His warnings were ignored, if not blatantly told he was wrong. Did his warnings come true? We have the usual suspects singing the glory of the lithium pack day in and day out, yet nowhere were there any postings about problems. Were there no problems? Or were there problems that were just trying to be kept on the downlow? Did you not threaten "warranty difficulties" if a customer kept posting about problems?
Are you offering your new pack to customers as a warranty replacement for the old packs?

I'm all for new products. But not defective products that are protected by rabid dogs with the theory of beating disagreement into the ground by idiocy. Or products that have problems that try to get covered up. You take everything as personal attacks, but people should expect better of any company that we purchase products from, why would we not expect it from you also? The vast majority of people making things have great intentions. That doesn't mean great intentions always result in great long term products, especially if "experts" provide warnings or guidance that is ignored. Who pays the real price for that? The people who buy it and have to deal with it. You guys want everyone to trust you. Explain what you've done to earn that trust? Devoted years to designing a product? Given great customer service? Does that earn trust in a product or manufacturer? Do you hire contractors to work on your home because they've been in business 10 years and have good intentions? 75% of contractors fit that description and still do poor quality work. What if contractors just had salespeople that killed everyone that says they do crappy work? Does that do the community any good? You guys act like this community should protect you. Well, then why don't you clear up all the haziness with the community about what was going on with your first couple versions instead of deploying smoke and mirrors. Make it a two way street?