OEM spare tire install

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  1. Hammersmith

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    Normally I'd say you'd be better off asking this in the Gen4 forum, but you caught me with some spare subscription time left on the parts catalogue, so here you go. This should work for any FWD Gen4 HEV (no AWD, no Prime).

    Absolutely needed:
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    T125/70 D17    Tire                    $80-$125
    42611-47631    Wheel(17x4)             $ 80.72
    51931-47030    Hold Down Bolt          $ 11.25
    64993-47110    Spare Tire Carrier      $ 57.45
    Subtotal: $119.54 + tire
    
    I would absolutely get a new tire. On TireRack, a Falken was $80.70, a Yokohama was $114.45, and a Continental was $125.91. I tend to go Yokohama just because my OCD likes a Japanese tire in a Japanese car(lol), but I doubt there's any real difference.

    The carrier is the foam pad that lays on the sheet metal and holds the tire. I personally consider it a needed part because it lines everything up and keeps everything stable. You might be able to find the carrier and wheel cheaper at a salvage yard.

    The reason the individual prices don't add up to the subtotal is because there's currently a 20% off sale at many official Toyota online parts dealerships through tomorrow(Monday) night. If you order before tomorrow at midnight(PST), you will pay the subtotal listed; if you order afterward, you will pay the individual prices. I'm showing prices from Lewis Toyota out of Topeka, KS(autoparts.lewistoyota.com). You might also have a dealership closer to you that also normally sells at 31% or more off MSRP.

    Now for the extra(and expensive) stuff to make it perfect:
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    64993-47090    Deck Floor Box, Center  $248.31
    64997-47060    Deck Floor Box, LH      $169.63
    64995-47050    Deck Floor Box, RH      $169.92
    64716-47130-C0    Deck Trim Cover         $ 68.22
    Total: $644.40 + tire
    
    The first box is the one that goes onto and around the tire and creates a flat floor. The RH and LH boxes go on either side of the tire. The trim cover may or may not be needed; it depends on whether your car originally came with a compact spare. The total includes the parts from the prior list. If you don't already have these parts, I would absolutely try to find them at a local salvage yard due to the cost for brand new ones. You could also try fabricating your own pieces out of rigid foam.

    With all these parts, you should have an install that would be indistinguishable from a factory install. Exactly how far you want to go is up to you, your wallet, and your skills and time.


    edit: Oh and if you don't have the cargo floor board, it's:
    58415-47110-C2 - Rear Floor Board #1 - $282.42 without the 20% off.

    Obviously I'd try to find a used one of that as well.
     

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    Thanks for the reply Blackat, I appreciate the help! I'll be at Toyota dealer tomorrow, so will do!
     
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    WOW @Hammersmith, terrific info, thanks so much! I'm definitely going to do the "absolutely needed" list, I'm in Florida, so going to try and find an official Toyota online parts dealer 20%+ off closer to me, or maybe I'll just see what shipping is from Lewis. I'll study your info and attachments and make sure I order the right stuff. Thanks again, super helpful!
     
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    Question: So I know that when I acquire a temporary/compact spare wheel and tire, that the tire will need to be mounted on the wheel. Anybody know if these are typically balanced also, that is, put on a wheel balancing machine, spin test, and add balancing weights if necessary?
     
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    3rd Gen spare specs will work too. IIRC it’s 16” diameter, and the outside diameter of spare is significantly closer to the stock 195/65R15 (common to both Gen 3 and 4).

    info is in the 3rd Gen owners manual, pdf available for download at Toyota Tech Info website, in “manuals” tab. To quickly get to tire spec pages search for “195/65R15”.

    A salvage Gen 3 temp spare on rim will be getting long in the tooth. That said, ours is about as old as they get (our ‘10 has build-date August 2009), but still “looks” like new.
     
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    Thanks to all who have posted the info on this...I was told by the salesman that the car did come with a compact spare, and only discovered later that it didn't. Mine is the front drive limited model.

    I thought I'd just order the spare and other from Toyota, but our local dealer parts dept. was so slow and unhelpful, I ended up doing it a bit differently. Ordered a Modern spare with jack, very nice and came quicker than waiting for Toyota. While waiting for the foam parts from Toyota, I decided to hack out my existing foam to use temporarily. I got an M8-200mm bolt and fender washer from our local hardware store, and made up a plate large enough to hold it down via the center hole. This actually worked out nicer than I expected.

    When the dealer's foam parts arrived, we fumbled with them for some time...I think he got the wrong one for under the tire. Then we put in the foam, and I saw that I'd lose all those nice little compartments that were left on the original foam...the parts guy himself said I was better of with what I already had, and I agreed. Had I known this, I'd have probably used a heated sharp knife to do a little neater job on the foam, but it still works just fine. The Modern spare sits on the floor with only the rubber touching, but I added a small piece of trimmed carpet for underneath it anyway (not shown in picture).

    The compartments that are left give me plenty of room for a small lithium battery rechargeable compressor from Amazon, tire plug kit, and plenty left over for other stuff. The jack straps nicely to the modern spare with the included strap...I may move it to the large compartment but not sure. The junk compressor/sealer that Toyota included doesn't interest me.

    The only downside was the floor lacking the support of the original foam, where the spare tire now sat. I had a large kneeling pad from Home Depot, and set on top of the tire it works great. It supports the floor decently, and I've got a nice kneeling pad if I need it for whatever.

    So with the spare and jack (about $480 with shipping, I spent maybe about $30 additional and ended up with a better system than if I'd bought all of it from Toyota. Not sure how this will work with the other models or the AWD ones with boxes or wiring, but for mine I'm happy with it.
    PXL_20240716_163738124.jpg PXL_20240716_004120987.MP.jpg
     
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    There are heated styrofoam cutters. Will those work with ABS foam?
     
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    They should work with whatever this foam consists of. My soldering gun melts through it just fine, I may use it to dress up the cut edges when I get a round tuit.
     
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    I used a drywall saw. Fairly clean cuts
     
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    A styrofoam cutter is a heated wire. If it works, that would mean cleaner curved cuts.
     
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    True. I just used what I had and it worked well
     
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    Thanks again @Hammersmith , I jumped on the sale you mentioned and ordered the "Absolutely needed" parts above from Lewis Toyota, $119.54 shipped to my door. Also got a Yokohama Y870C T125/70D17 98M tire from Tire Rack, haven't had it mounted yet but that's next week's project.

    I am having one issue though, if you (or anyone else!) could offer any suggestions.....I consider myself pretty handy, but for the life of me, I can't figure out what to do with the 64993-47110 Spare Tire Carrier! I've attached 3 photos of it (bottom,top,side), if you look at the bottom/side photos you'll see there are some felt pads attached to the foam, also the bottom photo shows the part number. This Carrier piece is about 7.25 inches tall. Is this Carrier piece the correct part? If found this, same part #, but looks like a different part:
    64993-47110 Genuine Toyota Box, Deck Floor, Rear (toyotapartsdeal.com)

    If what I received for the Carrier is the correct part, does it go below or above the wheel?

    I've also attached a photo of the wheel with front/outside facing down sitting on floor, with the Hold Down Bolt threaded in all the way (bottomed out), and there is still about a 1 inch gap between the plastic head of the Hold Down Bolt and the wheel. If the wheel is front/outside facing up, the bolt is not long enough to thread in. (A photo of the OEM threaded floor bracket is in my post above.)

    Am I doing something wrong? Did I receive the wrong part for the foam Carrier? Is the Carrier supposed to go under the wheel and raise it up off the floor, so that the Hold Down Bolt will be able to tighten down onto the wheel? If that's the case, seems like the Carrier height will have to be cut down (bolt not long enough with Carrier as-is). I'm probably just doing something dumb! Any suggestions about what to do to make this work for my Daughter's Prius would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! IMG_1857_bottom.jpg IMG_1858_top.jpg IMG_1860_side.jpg IMG_1859_wheel_bolt.jpg
     
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    Oh shit, I'm sorry. I didn't understand that section of the parts diagram correctly. It's one of the issues with dealing with everything translated from Japanese. Plus my unfamiliarity with the gen4(I've owned gen3 and gen5).

    Apparently the gen4 was available in some markets with either a compact spare or a full sized spare. What you've got there is an insert that goes into a full size wheel. In the parts diagram it's listed as w/Ground Tire. I guess Ground Tire is what Toyota calls a full size wheel & tire.

    Without a scale reference in the diagram, I thought it was much smaller than it actually is and would go underneath the wheel. (I was thinking it was maybe four to six inches wide and only a couple inches high.)


    You've got two options at this point:

    1. Continue with the compact spare.
    - If you go this route, try and return the 64993-47110 carrier for a refund or exchange it with 64993-47090. I believe the reason the bolt is bottomed out is because the tire hasn't been installed yet. Once the tire is on, it will raise the wheel high enough that the bolt should be able to snug up. The other carrier(64993-47090) will go over the top of the compact spare to create a flat floor.

    2. Go with a full sized spare.
    - If you go this route, try and return or sell the compact spare and find a used wheel to match the other four on the car. (Or did you say the previous owner already was using a full sized spare?) The big black foam block will set inside the upside down wheel to give a flat surface for the cargo floor.


    Again, I'm really sorry for the bad info. I had no idea the gen4 was ever offered with a full sized spare.
     
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    An addendum to my previous post:


    I dug into the parts list again, and I don't think I can recommend going with a full size spare if you want to end up with a finished look. In your photos, you haven't shown any of the foam pieces that would normally go in the back and surround the spare. Do you still have those or did the previous owner discard them?

    In any case, now that I know what I'm looking for, I can see that there are quite a few parts different between the compact spare installation and the full size spare installation. I have no idea how different the parts are from each other and which are compatible with which.


    These are all the parts that are different between the two types of installs:
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    Full Size Spare
    58415-47110-C2     BOARD, REAR FLOOR, NO.1, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE            cargo floor board
    51962-47030        RETAINER, DECK BOARD, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE               holds foam boxes in place
    64716-47130-C0     COVER, DECK TRIM, REAR, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE             plastic trim over cargo opening
    64730-47240-C2     PANEL ASSY, DECK TRIM SIDE, RH, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE     wheel well cover - right
    64740-47250-C1     PANEL ASSY, DECK TRIM SIDE, LH, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE     wheel well cover - left
    64993-47110        BOX, DECK FLOOR, REAR, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE              foam cover goes over spare tire
    64995-47050        BOX, DECK FLOOR, RH, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE                foam box on right side
    64997-47060        BOX, DECK FLOOR, LH, SPARE TIRE-GROUND TIRE                foam box on left side
    
    Compact Spare
    58415-47100-C2     BOARD, REAR FLOOR, NO.1                                   cargo floor board
    51962-47020        RETAINER, DECK BOARD                                      holds foam boxes in place
    64716-47120-C0     COVER, DECK TRIM, REAR                                    plastic trim over cargo opening
    64730-47220-C2     PANEL ASSY, DECK TRIM SIDE, RH                            wheel well cover - right
    64740-47240-C1     PANEL ASSY, DECK TRIM SIDE, LH                            wheel well cover - left
    64993-47090        BOX, DECK FLOOR, REAR                                     foam plug goes inside spare wheel
    64995-47040        BOX, DECK FLOOR, RH                                       foam box on right side
    64997-47050        BOX, DECK FLOOR, LH                                       foam box on left side
    
    
     
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    Thanks @Hammersmith , no problem at all! I really appreciate you taking the time to help in the first place! I agree about the parts diagram, quite confusing for me! And ya, when I read "ground tire", I was like Wth?? LOL

    But I think luck is on my side.....my daughters were fortunate to both inherit used Priuses (Prii??, LOL) from their grandfather, a 2016 when he decided to get a new 2019 and pass down the 2016, and the 2019 when he unexpectedly passed away from covid in 2022. At some point in time, he acquired a full sized spare wheel/tire, but that's it, he did not get any mounting hardware or foam blocks etc. for it.

    The 2019 will stay local, and I could see putting the full sized spare in occasionally for long trips (otherwise full sized spare will stay in garage), so I'll try the insert that goes into a full size wheel (64993-47110 carrier) with the full sized spare and see how that works, sounds like I may be able to re-purpose for the 2019.

    I'm putting the compact spare in the 2016, I'll get the tire installed and then see if that bolt will tighten up. Then I can watch for another sale to get the 64993-47090 carrier to fit over.

    So no problem! Thanks again for all of the help!!
     
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    Thanks for the great additional info. I don't think either the 2016 or the 2019 Prius came with a spare tire from the factory when purchased new. We do have the foam pieces that go in the back for both cars, but it doesn't seem like they are the variant designed to be used with a spare tire, I don't think they have a tire "recess" on the bottom side.

    Anyway, no problem, I think I can use the parts that I purchased, will get the Yokohama tire mounted on the compact spare, see how it bolts up in the 2016, try the 64993-47110 carrier will full size spare in the 2019, and go from there. Thanks again!!
     
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    You're welcome. Again, sorry for the error.

    I'm probably wrong again(lol), but I now believe there were a total of four different configurations of the cargo area in the gen4 Prius(plus a fifth configuration for the Prius Prime). I grabbed images from the part diagram to illustrate the four options. Hopefully this will help you figure out which configurations and parts you already have.



    1. FWD w/ No Spare - The gen4 Eco trim had this. Maybe others as well?
    FWD No Spare.jpg




    All other versions had the same surrounding parts, it was just the piece in the middle that differed.
    FWD Spare.jpg




    2. FWD w/ Compact Spare Insert (goes over the compact spare)
    Compact Spare.jpg


    3. FWD w/ Full Sized Spare (goes into the spare wheel)
    Full Size Spare Insert.jpg


    4. AWD - No Spare Available (goes where the tire normally would)
    AWD Insert.jpg
     
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    Thanks. Just FYI - I've had the foam pieces from the 2016 ("Four Touring" trim) removed and stored in my garage for a while, the part numbers on the two pieces are:

    64997-47040: BOX,DECK FLOOR,LH,SPARE TIRE-WITHOUT(REPAIR KIT ONLY)
    64995-47030: BOX,DECK FLOOR,RH,SPARE TIRE-WITHOUT(REPAIR KIT ONLY)

    I'll post a follow-up once I get it all finalized, thanks!
     
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    A few questions about the parts for a 2024 LE.

    Have read the entire thread, specifically this post about an LE install.

    Hammersmith describes part # 58410-47040-C1 (Board Assy, Deck, Spare Tire) as the "sorta" replacement. Is there a better alternative, or is this it?

    Is the carpet cargo mat (PT919-47230-20) necessary if using an all weather cargo liner?

    Is this a different weather cargo liner (PT908-47235-20 ), or will the stock weather cargo liner still work?

    Part # 09105-52030 appears to be the proper jack for the LE. Is there a reason it's more expensive than jacks for the other trims? Any good alternatives that will fit in the designated space in the foam blocks?

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    1. Deck boards: There are three different deck board options for the gen5.
    - 58410-47030-C1 - This is the deck board that comes in the LE
    - 58410-47060-C1 - This is the deck board that comes in every other Prius and Prius Prime
    - 58410-47040-C1 - This is the deck board meant to be used with a spare tire installation

    Differences:
    - The difference between -30 and -60 is the placement of the crease(s) where the cargo area meets the rear seat backs. The -30(LE) has two creases; one where the deck board meets the seat, and one where the board folds over when the rear seats are folded down. Because all the other trims have a higher deck floor that is flush with the folded seats, the -60 only has one crease for when the rear seats are folded up. This means that the LE board should work in the high deck trims, but the -60 probably wouldn't work in an LE. But I've never tested this or seen it tested so I can't know for certain. Looking at the part images, I think the low deck board might also be a bit wider. That would mean you'd have a little overhang on each side after a conversion.

    Low Floor Deck Board (58410-47030-C1):
    Low Floor Deck Board.jpg


    High Floor Deck Board (58410-47040-C1 and 58410-47060-C1):
    High Floor Deck Board.jpg

    - The difference between -60 and -40 is four little foam blocks glued to the underside of the deck board that rest against the tire to give a little extra support to the board.

    Takeaway: If someone's already got -60 deck board, there's no reason to waste money on a -40(like I did). Just get some dense rubber or foam blocks and glue them to the -60 board. If you've got a -30 deck board, I would first try gluing the same blocks to the bottom and see how the board works. It might work perfectly fine, or that extra crease might cause it to hang up every time you fold and/or raise the rear seats. If it's troublesome, I'd look at the price($230) and decide whether eliminating that hassle is worth the money or not. That's a personal decision with no right or wrong answer.

    2. Carpet mat:
    - You go with a mat, liner, or neither depending on your preference. You don't use both a mat and liner.

    3. Cargo liner:
    - Will your current liner still work? I don't completely know. It depends on whether your current liner is a big rectangle or if it has "wings" on either side. The correct liner for a high deck floor is a big rectangle. If you try to use one with "wings" after the conversion, those wings will flop down because the main floor will now be a few inches higher than the little areas behind the wheel wells. My problem is that I know there are separate carpet mats for the high and low floors, but I don't know if there's a separate cargo liner for the LE or if all Priuses get the same rectangular liner. If yours is a rectangle, you're good to go. If yours has wings, you'll need to decide if you can live with the floppy sides or if you'll want to order PT908-47235-20 for $100. I think at least one owner decided to just stick stuff in those pockets for the liner wings to rest on. Again, personal choice.

    4: Jack price:
    - Absolutely no idea why the price differences are so weird. As far as I can tell, all the different kits come with the same tools; the only difference is whether it comes with a bag and what kind of bag it comes with. I'd advise just getting the cheapest of the three options. Especially since you're not going to use the bag anyway since every tool has its own space in the foam blocks.
     
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