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Can I borrow your Time Machine?

When I surveyed the online stores this week, I found then as low as ~$0.60/round. Do you have a current, cheaper source?

I was pleased to see the variety of makers although it is likely some are just 'repackage'. Wiki shows five bullet and powder options so I'll test the extremes:

• 3.56 g (55 gr) XM193 FMJBT 993 m/s (3,260 ft/s) 1,755 J (1,294 ft⋅lbf)
• 4.1 g (63 gr) GP 90 FMJBT 851 m/s (2,790 ft/s) 1,679 J (1,238 ft⋅lbf)

Then see what can be done on the round consistency.

Glad to see you are still shooting 35 year old ammunition. Have they aged well?

Bob Wilson

 

I know the differences. Like where does ac go. Some have two 12 volt batteries. The concept is good.

 

Our neighbor 4 doors down owns a Leaf. We often get a chance to talk and belong to the same gym- since I drive a Plug in Hybrid and he drives a BEV we compare notes on each others car. They like their Leaf and whole heartedly endorse it. They have owned if for awhile and drive it exclusively around town. They bought it used and have only have nice things to say about it. They have said it is the perfect around town inexpensive car. They only use 120 volt plug in charger to keep theirs charged we use a 240 v level 2 to charge ours.

I was surprised to see so many negative comments here on that inexpensive commuter car. It seems like it would be an outstanding fit for individuals who needed an inexpensive car for just around town.

They also own a Toyota Highlander for when they travel.
They are both retired and seem well off, could probably easily rid themselves of the Leaf and get another vehicle if they desired.

 

Great site for tracking ALL amo/prices .... today's 223 prices range from 35¢ all the way up to multiple dollars per round. Even shipping costs, if any;
enjoy!

http://WWW.ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?sh=high

Even the higher pressure NATO rounds start at only 1¢ higher than 223
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Yep, President Trump promises to roll back many of these insane electric vehicle mandates on day one and return to common sense.

We, also, need to get rid of the "incentives" which is really just a tax on poor people to give to the rich....everybody has to pay the taxes but only the rich can afford to plunk down $50K+ for an EV....it's un-American and actually just theft!!! If something is good and worth buying, people will buy it, period.

Yes, we still need some regulation to keep us safe and to keep corporations honest but let the free market decide what car we can buy and what stove we want and how many friggin gallons of water our toilets can flush!

If Trump wins, a lot of these car companies that have moved over too hard into the EV side are going to be hurting....I believe this is why Toyota seems to be lagging behind on the full EV fad.

 

The 10% tariffs that these YAHOOS propose on all imports will be paid by the consumer, not the foreign exporter.

The manufacturers, here, are not charities, they will raise their prices and inflation will go through the roof.

Innovation and competing to making a better product at a lower price is the key to boosting the economy and beating the imported competition.

 

It wasn't an inexpensive car when it arrived, thanks to the component costs back then. One of the things Nissan did to try to keep the price reasonable was in their choice of cooling system for the battery. They went with passive air cooling. That's right, not even a fan.

Which may have been adequate in Japan and Europe(the Renault Zoe has much in common with the Leaf), but it wasn't in places like Arizona. Many batteries fried. While a more heat tolerant battery soon came out, Nissan's actions during the time were not customer friendly. Then knowing the drawbacks of the passive air cooling, Nissan stuck with it for the redesign. Which leaves the model with the highest average degradation loss of available BEVs.

Today it is an affordable EV option to the missing Bolt (with 80 less miles of range), but Nissan's decisions and past actions has soured many following the EV field for some time on the model. The potential of temperature abuse to the battery of an used one has it off my list for future commuter.

 

That is one point of view. The other view is that it is a nudge to richer people to help fund the new companies and/or factories and take a risk on newer technology. If the government was just handing those same dollars over to any new or old company to build an EV factory people would likely be against that as just corporate welfare. By providing tax incentives the consumer picks the winners, not the government, Why is that a bad idea. And richer people can likely find another way to get to work if the new tech cars are in the shop a lot...not the poor people who might lose their jobs.
If you want extra funding for a new tech, you go to those that have more income not people who are scraping by.

Now, if you want to argue are EVs (or any zero tailpipe emission) a good thing compared to just burning more fossil fuels forever that is a different discussion. We have local pollution (smog) and CO2. I'm going to ignore CO2 for now. Do you really like breathing the exhaust from your car? Maybe we should get rid of zero emission incentives but instead impose a tax on gas proportional to the number of people who die from lung diseases.

Mike

 

My wife really liked the Leaf. She has said it was her favorite car we've owned. I also really liked it. But the battery degredation and the winter range were worse than I was expecting. And when battery prices went up drastically, from $5,000ish to over $8,000, I called it quits.

I might get a used Leaf for around town. But I'm not paying for a new one just for a commuter car. That was my biggest mistake. We had a nice newish Leaf for commuting to work. Yet most of our out-of-town driving for vacation and visiting family was in the 1985 VW diesel with it's 700,000 miles, rusty with holes body, torn up interior, and seeming less than 40hp worn out engine.

 

I'm old enough to remember seeing advertisements in my Dad's Popular Mechanics magazines for $1,995 for a new VW bug!

I wonder if anyone has added up how much government regulations increase the price of an automobile? What if I don't want 7 airbags?

Oh I found something interesting:

The Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency Standard (CAFE) requires car makers to increase the average fuel economy of cars and light trucks produced for sale in the United States. This requirement significantly increases the cost of production for car manufactures, and in turn, increases costs for consumers.

A recent Heritage Foundation study found that the standards for 2016 model year cars hurt consumers by at least $3,800 per car, with this figure reaching $7,200 per vehicle for the 2025 car buyers. Furthermore, the analysts estimated that between 3.1 million to 14.9 million households would not have enough credit to purchase a new car under the current 2025 CAFE standards.

Source: How Big Government Mandates Made Cars Less Affordable (americansforprosperity.org)

 

1) when was leaf 'inexpensive'?

2) all tax deductions are a tax on the poor, if you want to look at it that way. anyone ever heard of the second home deduction?

 

Are you asking us to think that fuel costs of 8.4 cents per mile are good? My Rav4 hybrid fuel has cost 7.1 cents per mile lifetime.

For sure both costs beat running a truck.

 

i'm paying about 8 cents/mile in my bolt, and about 7 cents a mile in the hycam. but the 7 cents is subsidized by the working poor.

 

Overall, not that much. If you account for inflation, most car models are actually cheaper than they used to be decades ago. And when going by the cheapest new car available they have usually sat around the same price, close to $17,000 of today's value. $1,995 in 1965 would be around $20,000 in today's dollars.

What is killing the cheapest new car segment is the move to crossovers. The Nissan Versa, Kia Rio and Mitsubishi Mirage are all between $17,000 to $20,000. But these three are on the chopping block. Next year forward you're going to have to fork over more than $20,000 for a cheapest new car, and that cheapest new car will likely be a crossover, like the Chevy Trax.

 

Tell me why the $300k/year couple needs a tax incentive? Not in my zip code.

 

crash protection, seatbelts, air bags, let's dump the lot and go back to the good ol' days

 

zip codes are the essence of the problem

 

Probably because you need to make that kind of money to actually afford a new car. We poor folk buy used, which doesn't bring new EV's into the market. Although by incentivizing the poor to buy used it does make used car prices go up which helps the rich also buy new cars. So I guess it's a wash whichever way you look at it, unless you incentivize the poor enough to buy new cars.

 

Because they can afford a big gas guzzler or an EV or whatever. The incentive nudges them towards the EV, thus helping to build more factories and charging infrastructure by the companies that they chose as a winner. There are probably some econ papers written about "nudges" and why they work or don't work. Sometimes they pick good ones but other time they go bankrupt (Fisker)

Mike