Featured Possible future vice president J. D. Vance introduces bill to promote gas-powered vehicles

Get a horse. Ned Ludd is alive.

 

Ya, well, my 1985 VW diesel is cheaper and more reliable than anything American. If I ever buy or lease a new vehicle it will be an EV, thanks.

American car manufacturers have also completely killed the sedan segment. Chevy is ditching the Malibu. So what would a person buy, a Chevy Trax?! No thank you. I don't need a wind brick that has the worst timing belt setup in the world plus the emergency brake actuator cable held by a small plastic clip right next to the tire.

 

^ That.

If BEV's are economically viable they shouldn't NEED $100-zillion in subsidies.
There is a pent-up demand for small-cheap, and the cost deltas for BEV versus ICE should make this a lay-up. The first OEM that comes out with a non-up-optioned "SE" version of these things, won't be able to build them fast enough!

When the average price of a base model BEV gets to be less than that of a base model ICE then dot.gov will start TAXING them instead of paying for tax schemes for above-average wage earners.

 

Maybe so. But I do feel like I'm passing up a good opportunity as I can get a brand new Nissan Leaf for a $19/mo 2-year lease deal due to incentives in my state. I've also told several others of the deal and so far nobody I know is interested.

So does that mean, no, people in the USA, or at least my part of the USA, just aren't interested in EV's?

Maybe that's because, just like me, they aren't looking for a car right now. That, and it's only two years. Some people I know have 7-year loans on their cars and they seem like they're planning on keeping their cars for a very long time. Plus I feel like the Leaf has developed a poor reputation where I live.

 

Nobody wants a leaf because they burned their first couple hundred thousand customers with giant fibs that it would get a 100 mile range (i still have their mouse pad with that statement advertised right on it) & presumptively not burn itself up In the first couple years (unless you lived in Pacific Northwest) Only to be turned down under warranty boilerplate - motivating a class action lawsuit. Nissan deserves the big middle finger from their once loyal customers

 

Yes they should not and I don't believe they need the large subsidies that are in the IRA. The subsidies help build capacity, but the initial subsidies got the battery prices down, and now its a matter of time. likewise I don't think oil needs the huge subsidies either in the depletion allowance and other breaks. Gasoline does in building more refining capacity does to mothball older refineries and lower gas prices, spikes in refining prices come with refinery shut downs of old plants, this is especially painful in california where oil companies don't want to invest. Unfortunately subsidies just go to the oil companies.

 

The credits are incentives to get people to try something new. It isn’t a war between types of cars, stoves, dishwashers, and shower heads. But the great deceiver does like to keep people fighting. No one believes the story about Adam and Eve in the garden I guess.

 

Isn't the Tesla model Y still outselling Toyota's popular Corolla?
so - how many more buyers need to try something new - before incentives are enough?
As it is, Toyota marks up their RAV4 plug-in to the point where it's more expensive than the vehicle would cost - even WITH the incentives

 

Ironically, he is Elon Musk's boy. Troglodytes

Ideally, all chars should be hybrids or BEV's.

So much gas is wasted idling in traffic.

ICE only cars with only start-stop are not the answer and much hated by drivers.

 

Neither Point addresses the need - or lack thereof, for incentives

 

They used to put a quota on them and incentives would go off. I suppose that would be started again. I remember I got an incentive on the 07 Prius and it was a reason to get it. I got incentives on the Prime, which also made my decision easier.

 

Direct incentives to companies to expand EV and battery production in country would likely be more efficient than incentives on the cars.

On the consumer side, expanding charging networks would do more to help sales. Not just fast DC ones, but also slow overnight ones in mass.

The problem with those quotas was that they punished the first to market. Those companies paid the higher cost for batteries in the beginning. When battery production and technology yielded the lower cost, those companies lost the incentive. Leaving their competitors that waited with a price and marketing advantage. Any such limits to an incentive such be industry wide.

EVs don't really need incentives now, and they could be inflating the price of the cars. If they have to be, I'd rather they be based on car size, with smaller getting more. Even expand it to hybrids and trikes like the Aptera.

 

I bypassed mine on the '20 after going to the University of YouTube and spending $13 on pieces/parts for a no-splice solution.
My new Truck has a button-bypass that can itself be no-cut bypassed but I just mash the button either when I'm backing out or the first time my truck stops in traffic.
If I ever have to go inside the dash, I'll mod it.

I once thought of the LEAF as a DOT approved golf-cart with climate control - which was only slightly hyperbolic - and truth be told they would make a GREAT second car for those who can live within its limitations.

IRA stands for WHAT again?
When they replace a Strategic Petroleum Reserve(*) with a strategic battery reserve then we will have "arrived" at the viability point for BEVs.
FWIW I also believe that we should also stop paying subsidies on oil - it would be fairly horrible at first but it would further incentivize domestic exploitation given some adult leadership.



(*or at least stop refilling it when crude is above $75 barrel!!!)

 

I love my start stop since 2007, in several different hybrids. One of the best things about them.

 

Great for hybrids.....Terrible for pure ICE machines.

 

A good thing too! So Tuesday I drove my Tesla to look at a part:


I saw a lot of pickups like the Ford F150, 19 mph. So 840 miles would have been 44.2 gallons @$3.10/gal, ~$137. I also like that every AR round cost ~$0.60 each. So 100 rounds, $60 burned up making smoke and noise. Money they burn up can't support their politicians.

Bob Wilson

 

First bought 223 rounds in 1990.
12¢ .... and that was when you buy a box of 20. Bulk was even less
So much for fiat money
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i'm thinking replace vehicle/mfg/chrger subsidies with electricity subsidies to match oil.

 

toyota will be sending trump a large donation to hopefully get this bill through