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2013 Prius 3gen , ABS, Brake, and Traction Control lights came on suddenly?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Skanga, Jul 5, 2024.

  1. Skanga

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    I have a 2013 Prius third generation with 185,000 miles. I was driving the interstate and all of a sudden the ABS, traction control, and brake lights came on the dash. ABS must be off because the brakes are squishing and I am not getting any regeneration of the battery when I brake. I made an appointment at my Toyota dealer to get it checked out and on my way to the shop two days later the lights suddenly shut off and everything seems to be working just fine. I decided to have them look at it anyway. Should I be taking this to the dealer or should I just go to a regular brake shop if I need to get anything repaired being that it is more than 10 years old and has more than 150,000 miles. Give me suggestions on what I should do with this problem. I will keep you informed on what Toyota diagnostics tell me.
     
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    I just got back from Toyota dealer and they said I had a C 1391 code stored. They then recommended replacing the master cylinder and pump assembly for a total cost of $2950 that includes labor and tax. I assume that the $2950 price includes the master cylinder part the pump assembly part and all the fluids and the bleeding of the brake system and all labor required to do so. Does this seem accurate? Should I take this anywhere else to get a quote or should it be a Toyota dealer or at least a mechanic that has Toyota tech stream software as I’ve heard that bleeding the brakes is difficult without tech stream software which would have to be done with this repair. The funny part is …1 mile from the Toyota dealership. All of the dash lights turned off in my breaking and regenerative system seems to be working just fine now. Should I wait until it codes again and all of the lights come on the dash, or should I get this repaired ASAP? I really need some advice, $3000 is a lot of money I want to make sure that I am spending it correctly for the right repair. $3000 is less money than any car I could get to replace it but it is a 11 year old Toyota Prius with 185,000 miles on it. What should I do? Here is a picture of the very general quote. IMG_2394.jpeg
     
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    That's what you're up against for one with this model then there's some other issues that are getting ready to happen close to this mileage If you think $3,000 is something you're spending what are you going to do in the head gasket blows or it takes out the connecting rod or what have you that's 5 or $9,000 or somewhere in there depending upon where you live and who you contract to do this work so you can easily have 15,000 in a generation 3 Toyota Prius for absolutely no reason other than you own the car and you think you should spend the money because you need to drive to work and it seems this is where people are left so there's always that if you think of 2012 or 13 car is worth about $7,000 worth of work You're looking at three of it right now when the engine goes it's another 28 to $4,500 so you add up your brake job and then your engine job and then look at your car overall and you just spent $7,000 some dollars on this 2013 car that's how old now well there you go That's something only you and your mind can maul over what I do it absolutely not No sir but I have many ways to get to work so I'm not under any pressure when something breaks I can take my time assess the situation and do whatever it is I'm going to do without any worry of how I'm going to get anywhere because outside of my window there's a field of cars motor scooters bikes and everything that work impeccably so when one breaks it's not a catastrophe here with most people when their car breaks it's a major disaster that has to be dealt with immediately That's how the industry wants that to be so you make silly choices and bad choices and spend lots of money keeps you working and the country moving I guess they're not doing that with my money so you've got lots of things to maul over here but this is a common thing you could have read about all this long before you bought the car I'm sure the car was pretty You needed a car and here you are You want to get out of this real quick Go grab yourself a Toyota Yaris or a generation 2 Prius and probably never have to do any car work again as you're starting to know it anyway completely different animals and different experiences completely but only you can come up with those things Good luck my friend I'm sorry you stepped in this pile.
     
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    Sadly true.

    How long have you had it?

    EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system ever been cleaned? If not, head gasket is likely to let go soon. If you’ve just recently acquired, it might be held together by stop-leak product.

    Head gasket failure typically manifests as shaking at cold start-up after sitting overnight. And coolant loss.
     
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    If the lights went back out before you got the trouble codes, then what the dealer says they saw is the best information you have to go on.

    If those lights come back on, you can retrieve trouble codes yourself, this way:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat

    Of course, they might only confirm what the dealer has told you.
     
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    Yes I have had the EGR system cleaned about 6 months ago. I have had this for 3years. Thank for the info on the head gasket. I do have to check and add oil between changes. Do you think this price was fair for the master cylinder replacement and pump assembly? Should I be looking for a different Prius? If so what do you suggest finding? I am not afraid of buying one with 90,000+ miles. I just love the mileage, I drive 100 mile daily to get to and from work. I have experienced the shaky cold start a few times, but not in a long while.

    Thanks for the glumly outlook. If I choose to find a different used Prius… what do you suggest? I love the mileage as I drive 100 mile per day to get to and from work. Your advice is much appreciated.

    If I choose to get the brakes fixed should I take it to Toyota or can any shop do this repair? I heard that properly bleeding requires Toyota tech stream.
     
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    Yes I have had the EGR system cleaned about 6 months ago. I have had this for 3years. Thank for the info on the head gasket.

    Would you say the cleaning was thorough? Did they do the intake manifold too? Considering the miles when you did this, I'd still be "cautiously optimistic"; that's a long hiatus. Research head gasket replacement too, and who can do it near to you. There's some links in my signature on head gasket repair, and the bottom link is the full engine section of the Repair Manual.

    To keep the EGR system behaving like new every 50K from day one is optimum. It slow-but-sure cakes up with carbon, the EGR cooler doesn't do much cooling with a carbon layer, and the intake manifold EGR capillaries (one at each port) clog unevenly, with cylinder one tending to clog up first (the cylinder at passenger end, as you stand at front of car).

    Do you think this price was fair for the master cylinder replacement and pump assembly?

    Yeah seems reasonable.

    Should I be looking for a different Prius?

    I would just wait and see.

    I have experienced the shaky cold start a few times, but not in a long while.

    That "can" be indicative of head gasket leaking coolant into cylinders. Can also be due to short run previous day leaving water in the intake of EGR passages. Any trouble lights?
     
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    Thanks for all of your advise. I will check on the head gasket information you suggested. This morning I experienced the cold start shake. Then it quickly stopped and ran normal. I have had no codes. Question, since all of the light suddenly all shut off and the brake and regen system started working again, do I need to worry about the Master cylinder repair or should I just wait for it to code again? How do I know that the C1391 code they found was really a problem with the master cylinder and pump assembly instead, just a problem with the sensor.? This weekend I will be replacing the front brake pads as they are getting low. Do you think the leaking from the front engine cover is manifold gasket related? I really appreciate your time in responding to my questions.
     
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    For the brake booster components I don't know much, hopefully others will comment. I've read here, to just keep driving it till it becomes intolerable, say cycling more than every 5 seconds??

    I'd suspect leakage from the engine valve cover (presuming that's what you mean by "front engine cover"?) is unrelated, though not sure. Doesn't hurt to leave that be till you get around to head gasket replacement; the cover has to come off then anyway.
     
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    Well the same 3 lights just came back on during my drive home. ABS, traction control and Brake. Regen not working when I brake and brake are quite squishy. Meaning I have to push down quite a ways before I get any breaking. . does anyone know if this is going to turn back off and not be a problem again? do I need to take it to a Toyota to get this repair done or can any shop do this meaning replace the master cylinder and the pump assembly?
    Another question is do I just spend $3000 get this break issue fixed and then sell my car so that I can get something out of it before the head gasket goes and all the other expensive problems.? Remember I have 185,000 miles on this and I’ve never really had too many much trouble until now. Just curious if I need to take it to the Toyota shop or if I can take it anywhere and if I take it to the Toyota shop, should I sell it out right or should I trade it in on some thing at Toyota guessing I will get a lot more if I just sell my vehicle out right . Any advice would be helpful. Thanks
     
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    Ok now I took my 2013 gen3 Prius to town and the 3 lights (ABS, brake, and traction control) just turned off and everything is working fine. So is this really a master cylinder going bad or just a sensor issue? I just replace the front brake pads and the front sensors look fine. I guess I will just keep an eye on it. Any ideas?
     
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    The 3 brake lights turned back on this afternoon but after replacing the front brake pads the brake do not seem to affected when the they are on but the regeneration system is not working properly. I will see if the lights go back off and the car functions properly tomorrow. I will ask again, could this just be a bad sensor of some type or is it really a bad master cylinder and pump assembly as the C1391 code suggests? if this needs repaired, do I need to take it to a Toyota repair shop or should I take it to any good mechanic? Again I am not sure if I want to repair it or buy another newer used high gas mileage car. The problem is in this area, everyone drives pick ups and SUVs. It’s difficult to find a good used economic car. If I were to spend 3000 on the brakes and 7000 on a Gasket repair that is still only $10,000 on a car with warranty new parts and a car I know it’s history. A different Prius would cost a minimum of 15,000 and probably still have more 70,000 miles on it with unknown future repairs. Is that a better option than just repairing this car? Tombukt2 you said you would never repair it but why spend it extra $5000 on a slightly newer car with unknown future? Please suggest a cart type that you think I should look at replacing this 2013 GEN three Prius with for a good price and great reliability, and excellent gas mileage. Thanks I hope my lights just go away and everything just act fine for a while. I like to think positive
     
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    An independent shop may work out, and may save some. They may also struggle with the Tech Stream, post replacement.

    Your call; I would go with dealership. $3k (all-in) is not crazy for this.
     
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    Sometimes that kind of question is valuable to ask, and sometimes it's what somebody wants to believe because the sensor is giving bad news so shoot the messenger, but in this case it doesn't matter anyway because the sensor in question is part of the master cylinder/booster assembly and not separately replaceable.

    The "cycling" Mendel is talking about here is of the brake pressure pump, sounds like a little joy buzzer or rattlesnake. It's the sound you hear when you open the driver's door if the car has been sitting overnight.

    So, have you been noticing anything different about that sound? How long does it have to run in the morning when you open the driver's door before it shuts off? Does it repeatedly run by itself when you're not even doing anything with the brakes? (That's the "cycling" Mendel means.)

    The folks who say wait till it's every 5 seconds, I don't get. The normal period is more like hours if you're not using the brakes and the system's not leaking. Waiting for that to be down to 5 seconds makes me wonder "what does it take to convince you there's a problem?". Maybe some people just want to eke out the last miserable months they can from the failing part.

    But on the other hand, it's a gen 3, so there are two parts really:

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    The leak that causes a problem like this is typically in the top one. A Toyota dealer will usually replace both at the same time and call it a day, 'cause it's your money and they want to make sure they won't see you again.

    If you do it yourself, or at another shop, you can often solve the problem by just replacing the top part. Saves a bunch of part and labor cost.

    But think again about the idea of waiting until the pump is cycling every few seconds. At that rate, you've been putting (you could do the math more carefully than I have, but at least) months worth of normal wear on that bottom part for every day of driving around that way. If you've waited that long, you probably are better off just shelling out for both parts. (And that might be part of why Toyota always wants to change both.)
     
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