Featured How To Sell EVs To People Who Hate Them

Hopefully the cost to install L2 charging stations doesn't make more people homeless. That wouldn't win over people who hate EV's.

 

Unlikely this regulation &/or ones like it will apply to the projects in the ghetto.
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I work with 4 miles of range gained per hour charging from a 15amp120V outlet. IIRC, that is around what the Volt got. More efficient EV will get more and vice versa. Also less if you charged at a lower amperage to not tax the circuit.

With your climate, I might use 3 miles/hr. Better to plan for worse case before buying.

That should look at the week level. If overnight charging doesn't fully cover the daily miles, but the EV is a long range model. Level 1 charging could work if the person's schedule allows to fully charge the EV during days off.

I think new construction is already 200 or higher amp service. Might also be wiring much of the house for 20amp120V.

Then if grid tied solar is supported, need to upgrade infrastructure for that.

Higher quote prices are mostly from adding to existing homes. Much easier in new construction.

 

With new construction, the forces involved with directing codes to require mandatory EV charging circuits will likely save builders on costs overall.

These same forces are also directing the revision of codes in many places to no longer require (and sometimes forbid) builders from having to plumb buildings with substantially more costly natural gas lines.

 

To be honest, as someone familiar with the electrical trade and construction in general, I don't see including an L2 EVSE or at least the wiring for it as a noticeable cost on new construction.

 

With many new multi-hundred-unit housing projects under construction adjacent to opening-soon Light Rail stations, dozens of charging stations doesn't seem unrealistic. Especially since the on-site parking requirements were reduced long ago, with the expectation that many more tenants will go car-free. Which has actually been happening, for a long time, especially for apartments and condos in urban cores and within walking distance of the ever-improving transit hubs and routes.


Here is one of the requirements charts:


While the basic requirement is 40 amps of L2 (208/240V) per charging space, the larger projects don't really have to supply it all at once:



... so the real electric capacity for large projects can be as low as 8.3 kW for 10% of parking spaces, and 3.3 kW (16 A * 208 V) for 35% of spaces. And remember that with more people going car-free, both in policy and in reality, the number of parking spaces can be significantly lower than the number of housing units.

New construction only, not retroactive. I haven't noticed any building zone code for "ghetto".

 

The headline was only half of it.
They also found that no data was collected to allow for an audit trail to see what worked and what didn't work.

Mike

 

tbh, one of us takes after our father, and one after our mother. it's pretty darn black and white. maybe more children would have mixed the gene pool a little more
we love each other, but have absolutely nothing in common.

 

Not a zoning code term. But everyone understands Skid Row or ghetto or slums to reflect areas of extreme down & outers, where many don't even have any car.



You say tomato .....

So .... no extra bad areas to be razed - because grandfathered, a slumlord won't have to prep for EV's ... despite fewer people having ANY car - much less an EV
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I.e. even without any building code exemption, this new requirement won't cause or exacerbate any issues in such areas.

 

So the title of this thread is “How To Sell EVs To People Who Hate Them”.

This may not be enough, but maybe cause one to think twice about Cruise Ships and Flying short distances when public and other transportation is available. Electric cars rock (and get even better numbers when charged with renewables):

CO₂ equivalent emissions per passenger km:



Cruise Ships Are The Most Carbon-Intensive Travel Method - Voronoi

 

More trains and trollies would be cool!
No info on biking or walking though.

I wonder what more carpooling would do to those numbers.

 

Would like to see electric bikes/scooters and electric buses on the list too.

Not certain, but think this is per solo occupant when it comes to personal vehicles, so effectively a carpool of four occupants should reduce the footprint by roughly fourfold per capita.

 

cruise ships run on Bunker fuel.
LOL .... yea that's a real clean proposition. Never mind the cost per cabin

 

Does full self driving? Let me take my hands off the wheel and it'll take me from point A to point B without touching anything even one time? If not then it's not full self driving

Can I drive the car anyway? I like without them raising the price of my insurance? If not Jane, it's not a fast car

Will it still drive 300 something miles after I owned it 5 years and 150,000 mi? If not then it's not a 300 mile car

 

Beware overconfidence. ADAS is supposed to be an aid to improve good driving, not a crutch to cover impaired driving.

Age and degrading night vision leave me unable to safely handle such single-day drives anymore, without regular shift changes with a relief driver. Sometimes even with such relief. And I'm a decade younger.

 

How many miles does one travel on a cruise ship in his or her lifetime? I mean, I'd like to drive a car around a race track some day. I'm sure that's not going to be very fuel efficient, but I also don't see a cruise ship as being a daily driver either. (I saw an RX8 today and wanted to drive it so badly just once). And no, I can't say that I like cruise ships, I've never been on one nor have I seen one in person nor do I think I'll ever go on one. But at what point do we disqualify entertainment for fuel consumption?

Also, how much fuel is used to bring in the yearly county fair rides? It's kind of the same idea, enterainment transported via internal combustion.

What about movie production? How much carbon is produced to produce a movie?

To me, if a person is going to reduce the amount of carbon and air polution they are liable for by avoiding a certain form of vacation or entertainment they ought to know how much is produced for other types of entertainment and draw a line somewhere.