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2005 Prius with 180k miles. P0A80 and P3000 codes.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by WillGen2, Feb 29, 2024.

  1. WillGen2

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    Currently stuck in Steamboat Springs, CO. I was planning on driving to OR when the red triangle and check engine light popped up. Went to a shop who read the codes for me as P0A80 and P3000. Car has about 180k miles and is on its first battery. Otherwise in good condition. As far as I can tell there is no one here in Steamboat that can work on my car and the closest option is the Toyota dealership in glenwood springs. I am trying to decide what to do with the car and if it is worthwhile to fix. I don’t have the expertise, or equipment to replace a battery module. I could have the car towed within a 200 mile radius. What would you all do? I assume trying to drive back to Oregon with these codes is out of the question.
     
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    So there's no battery guy green bean any of the things that will service that area if the car isn't otherwise good shape than needing a battery and what have you then I would put a battery in it that's the only thing keeping you from getting to Oregon have you looked on the marketplace in the area you're in just enter in hybrid battery and see if any thing pops up.
     
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    There is nothing nearby. My options would be to try to drive the car or have it towed to a dealership that is 112 miles away or to Boulder which is more like 175 miles. What is the limit you would be willing to spend on the battery replacement given the specs of my car?
     
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    Update a shop in Boulder quoted $2800 including parts and labor for a genuine Toyota battery with 3 year 36k warranty. Should I do it?
     
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    Well the batteries are about $1,800 or a little less from the Toyota dealer so you're paying $1,000 for somebody to drop a battery in your car that's about 13 screws to take out total to do that so and if you don't own any tools to do that then that's another 150 bucks to go round all those up at Sears or advance Auto or wherever. And then it's your time worth it for you to do this to save the $850 or so I don't know some people never like to do things like this and door maybe have to put on clothes that can get dirty I mean I just don't know No I'm not paying $2,800 for a Toyota battery that's going to cost me about $16.70 or $1,700 and I already have tools and a nice driveway and a non HOA neighborhood and this is a like 45 55 minute job so I'm probably not letting 850 bucks or so slide out of my hands. Just because. But that's me personally.
     
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    If you like the car i would. Google toyota master technian and see if a independant shop comes up.
     
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    Batteries are that cheap these days at the dealer? For a guy with no experience it's certainly more than 45-55 minutes of work.
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  9. Tombukt2

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    Not really buddy Even with no experience if you've you know put erector sets together or any of that stuff is a kid a video changing the battery you're talking about taking out some trim screws a few 12 mm etc It is ridiculously easy when you think and you do this and you think to yourself I just saved $850 or 60 bucks are you kidding me You will not believe it It is fairly quickly even getting the battery out just take a piece of plywood about 18 in wide and 34 in long and set it down right where the battery is after you disconnect the orange leads pick up the other side of the battery where the vents and ductwork was connected pick it up by its cover swing it around onto the plywood let your knee touch the plywood by putting it on the bumper and pull the battery up onto the plywood now put both feet on the ground pull on the plywood and let it teeter totter on the rear bumper step get ready to pick it up flip it around and set it down I have a spare toolbox nearby when I'm doing this and I set the plywood in the battery on the toolbox It's almost waist level and it's comfortable height to disassemble the battery or whatever it is I'm doing this is stupid easy watch a video on YouTube It is that easy there are no special tricks You're taking a couple of side panels out of the back end with your 10 mm screws and pull off clips that stay on the car and the tray that's over the battery has two screws with loops in them put all this stuff in a coffee mate plastic container or something while you're taking it apart You don't need to worry about what screws go back and which holes because they're almost all the same nothing to stick a screw that's too long through and break anything or none of that stuff Don't lose the two 8 mm that hold the orange wires to the output part of the relays Make sure you don't lose those they're hard to find in your Toyota parts and usually the parts store won't have them they'll have all the other ones but not those two little eights. And yeah it's an easy job you'll need to preferably a quarter inch drive ratchet a six or eight inch extension would be nicer a 6 and a 4-in extension an 8 10 and a 12 mm preferably short well and wouldn't hurt to have a pair of pliers out with you and if you're scared to pull on the trim maybe the trim tool fork looking tool Very inexpensive they come free if you're buying clips online like the ones that hold everything on a Toyota If you buy a box of those online they'll give you the tool $12 for the box of stuff or something $13.95 so for about 80 bucks you can round up all the little things and then you'll have this stuff and those three sockets and all that you'll use in the Toyota for as long as you own it or you won't.. My insurance guy can do it anybody can do it.
     
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    There are several things preventing me from going the DIY route. I’m currently on the road with no tools and no garage/driveway to preform the swap. I would literally be replacing it in the dealership parking lot. I also don’t have the time to procure a OBD2 to determine that the battery actually needs to be replaced (probs a decent assumption though given 19 years and 180k miles on the OG battery).
    I have determined that I want to get a new OEM battery if I do in fact need one.
    @Tombukt2 maybe you can direct me to an insurance guy within 200 miles of Steamboat springs who could do it for less than 800?
     
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    It was a joke I was just making a comment that if a person that flies at desk can do it pretty much anybody can do it Yes I would be doing it in the parking lot at the dealer so that when the battery arrives and they call me and I drive over there I have the pieces out of the trunk and out of the way the battery staring up at me when I walk around the back of the car all I have to do is pull a service plug undo two 8 mm screws maybe one 12 mm that's holding the case down while I drive over there literally lift it out of the car take the three screws that hold the front end relay part of the battery on put that on the new battery the 3 10 mm screws and nuts. And then drop that in my car drop my old battery minus the front end which is now on the new battery in their coffin looking case. Tighten up two 8 mm nuts on the orange wire put a 12 mm in the case to the chassis of the car to hold it put the service plug back in start the car and begin driving back to where I came from I guess 24 hours later they'll tell you your core cleared knock 1350 off your bill so on and so forth battery should wind up being about 1740 or so If it's less than that you done good but yeah I understand you can't do whatever so there you go I don't know anybody in steamboat springs people I know in Colorado are in larger markets I think.
     
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    A dealer price of $2800 installed will not include a core refund. Their price will be more like $1950 parts and $850 labor and misc charges plus perhaps tax. However they will diagnose before swapping and give you a guarantee you won’t need for the next 8-10 years.

    Some online dealers discount but then you have the refundable $1300 core, shipping and taxes plus diy labor. Shipping alone could take a week or more.

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    As the currently reasonable Priuscamper suggests, a $35 Bluetooth obd2 interface and a free phone app like Dr Prius would allow you to clear the error and keep going. Oregon is quite a drive from Colorado but if you had a quality hybrid or independent shop there you could likely make it.

    There is a partial disassembly of the hybrid battery assembly to swap out the actual modules (item 1). You still have the original battery ecu, fans, cables etc. So a first time diyer could take many hours.

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    It is possible to clear the errors temporarily by disconnecting the 12v negative cable for a minute but this technique is less than desirable for a long trip.
     

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    Check nearby big towns for battery rebuilders. Usually they are willing to drive 1-2 hours to install a refurbished battery. Or tow the car to them if it is cheaper.
     
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    If the P0A80 code is due to weak modules (usually 3-5 modules, SOC 20% or less) and not due to a bad module with a bad cell (below 7 volts, SOC 40% or higher) then the car should drive and not lose power. If the battery has a bad module, below 7 volts, then the car loses power and may not accelerate at all and even stall with the engine failed to start code. You can start it only after disconnecting the 12V battery for a minute.
    If your 2005 Prius has been driven for 180k miles in city traffic, there is most likely nothing left to restore. The capacity will not rise above 2000mAh.
     
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    Or for this code you can just clear the codes with your scanner twice in a row and it'll usually reset this without having to go back and fool with the battery but certainly one can go back and full with the battery and create the same situation if they like and they have a 10 mm socket and a short extension or a longer extension depending upon where the disconnecting the 12 volt.