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Optima battery finally died after 9 years

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by SPlautz, Dec 2, 2023.

  1. SPlautz

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    My Optima 12v battery finally died after 9 years. Luckily it happened in my driveway. The car started up just fine but after a few seconds the engine died and the whole dashboard lit up like a Christmas tree. There was no clear indication of what was wrong. Everything blinked, flashed and made weird noises until the car slowly died with the ! triangle still on. I opened the battery compartment to find the negative terminal had battery acid power all around it. I thought AGM batteries were gel?? Anyway, that terminal was permanently bonded to the negative cable connector, so much so I had to quite laterally rip the terminal off the battery to get it out. I went to Autozone to buy a new Duralast battery and a battery cable they allegedly said fit for 2010 Prius. However the battery cable was too big for the battery. Apparently gen 3 Prius uses batteries with the smaller JIS "pencil posts" and not the standard bigger SAE posts. So it looks like at this point, I might as well find a used OEM cable rather than paying more for all the necessary adaptors. Anyone else had this problem? How can I prevent this in the future.. grease the post down? I hate to think if this happened elsewhere and not in my own driveway. The car would have had to be towed until the proper cable was found!

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    A 12v battery problem would not cause what you described. l think you have a different problem with your Prius. If the car was running (in ready), the 12v is supplied by the 12v/12v converter, not from the 12v battery. Try to jump start the car to see if it will start or try to scan for trouble codes since you said that the ! triangle was still on.
     
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    Yeah I was going to say you're 12 volts not doing anything with the car ready and ready to run or running or going down the road or any of that You're running off the inverter turning hybrid battery 211 volts into 13.7 to 14.5 volts DC to charge the 12 volt battery you'll see that reading on the 12 volt battery or at the jump point with the car ready with the car not ready at the jump pointer at the battery you see what's in the battery only. So you might want to check that We had a red top optima in our sienna van that lasted 13 years It was still with the van running the van when I sold it to my good friend and I haven't talked to him in a few months but he's driving the van everyday.
     
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    The car started normally from what I recall. Then the engine quit. That's when everything weird imaginable started happening. I was unable to even turn the car off completely. Pushing the ignition switch a few times I finally got all the blinking lights to go away except for the triangle, which remained on. The car was clearly struggling for power. The power locks sounded VERY weak but still worked at this point. That just confirmed to me it was losing power. About an hour or two later the triangle was still on so I tried the ignition button a few time times. Of course it didn't start but I did finally make that light go out, although there was a faint electrical noise continuously still heard when I left the vehicle.. I had to manually lock it then since power was longer strong enough for the locks. Next morning it was completely dead. I then checked the 12v battery and seen a bunch of fresh battery acid power completely covering the negative terminal, very indicative of a battery going bad. So I pulled it out to replace it. The negative connect was wielded to the post on the battery, impossible to remove, short of tearing the "pencil" terminal right off the battery. If it wasn't actually dead, it is now. I bought a new Duralast AGM waiting to go in. However, it'll be a few days before that happens because I'm waiting on a replacement OEM battery cable (82123-47040) bought off Ebay for $16, which seemingly is the only cable that can support these "pencil" battery posts. My existing cable still has the last battery's neg post still wielded on it, not even a drill could get that loose. lol If this wasn't a 12v battery issue, what else could it possibly have been? Keep in mind, I had just arrived from vacation where the car wasn't driven in over 3 weeks and not driven but maybe twice in the last 6 weeks, if that matters any. Also this happened to be the day after the first freezing night we had in this area. My guess it was on its last leg and the freezing weather combined with lack of use finally did it in?

    Also, I noticed a puddle of water in the battery compartment as well. At first I thought maybe that was from the drained battery freezing and it leaked out water? But upon further research, I figured it probably is from leaves building up behind my tail light causing rainwater to leak in. Whether that water is linked to any of this, I'm not sure. But removing the tail light is too complicated process for me to clean all that out. I'll do the best I can with a hose to try to power wash it out and keep the drain plug out when I put in the new battery, just in case. There was no water in the spare tire area. The drain hole is screw sized in the battery compartment, so no mice is going to get through that except maybe baby mice? lol
     
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    Yeah but what if the car senses the voltage is fine and stops the engine (its a hybrid after all) with a 12v battery that is actually taking its last dying breaths? Once the engine quits, it would lose the voltage coming from the inverter relying only on a battery that's probably putting out very low voltage at that point, not enough to power the circuits properly to restart the engine. Just a thought. Also who knows what effect a dying (or dead) 12v battery would have on the actual voltage seen by the car even if the inverter was trying to put out 13.7 to 14.5v.
     
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    As long as it’s in ready, the hybrid battery charges the 12v through the inverter/converter.
    The engine doesn’t have to be running.
    But it may be possible that a shorted battery is interfering with the process, idk.
     
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    You provided many more details in your post #5 than you did in post #1. Hopefully, a new 12v battery will fix the problem.
     
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    Sounds like excessive draw, from something.
     
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    might just be typical of the prime 12v system problems reported here
     
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    I did more research and apparently it's not good to leave a Prius or any hybrid for weeks without running it. Mine was left for almost 4 weeks without being started before I got home to try to drive it again. All the electronics, even when off, draws on that 12v battery. Mine was probably almost drained by the time I tried to start it again. And to add insult to injury, the night before it got below freezing, which likely did the already 9 year old battery in. Now I know.. if I leave to go on a trip for a month, especially during winter when it can freeze, I need to disconnect the neg lead to prevent it from draining it for too long.

    But the silver lining is at least this got me looking at the battery to notice/fix the wielded neg terminal, along with the water leak back there.
     
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    I’m going to make a wild guess here, but I think you might just have learned that batteries don’t last forever. 9 years? Just out of curiosity, what was the original warranty on that battery that was installed in 2014? Were you expecting a 12 to 20 year lifespan? Just curious.
     
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    I was able to dislodge the broken negative battery terminal off the battery cable by soaking it overnight in a bowl of vinegar mixed with some hydrogen peroxide. It fell right out after that. How I fixed the leak in the battery compartment was by pulling the taillight and cleaning the dirt buildup behind it. Also I sprayed some silicone solution on the seal to make that look as good as new again. The videos on pulling the taillight on a gen 3 Prius make it look easy. It was not! First when pulling it, the clear plastic separated from the housing. I guess it gets weak after 13 years. Also both clips broke, of course. Luckily two nearby Toyota dealerships had these in stock, only one clip at each of course, for $4 a piece.. But that was better than waiting a week (or 2) to buy them off eBay or Amazon for a bag of 25 for $20 or so. I was able to re-seal the casing back together with superglue. Now all is as good as new, with no leak, new battery and the car starts right up!
     
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    Replacing a 5-6 year battery BEFORE it's 9 years old would have likely
    kept this from happening.
    The gell replaces the liquid acid, but it can still leak when the lead & plastic
    gets old.
    Don't go to autozone. Don't "grease" the terminal. It is worthless, and old
    battery will still break down, and leak.
    Check the maintainence schedule for your car, you'll find it says to "check" the battery
    at certain intervals. Doing so would not have stopped this issue, but you would have
    caught it BEFORE it riuned the ground cable.

    Get a Toyota battery and cable from Toyota.

     
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    Battery terminal puller.

    Little green and red felt circles you place on the terminals prior to attaching Neg and Pos cables.
     
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    yes grease the post once a year at least.....