2016 Two Eco - tire recommendations?

I use Nokian WRg4 "All Weather" tires 195/65HR15 tires. They are LRR (good MPG), strong (max air 51 PSI), ride well and almost as good as winter tires in bad weather. A similar, somewhat lower cost, option is General Altimax 365AW which I just put on my wife's Subaru Crosstrek

JeffD

 

Tires span a very wide range of compounds, so ultimately before anyone can answer that, we need to know your driving style, how much or tire your looking to spend, and the weather you want them for. Tires make very little difference in mpg like 1%-2% or about 1mpg. I've seen zero difference using non energy saver tires in my hybrids.

 

Then you haven't done a proper analysis. I have seen a 5-10% variation in MPG especially in cold weather when the rubber in non-LRR tires gets hard.

JeffD

 

Actually it's called knowing how to drive a hybrid and what really effects mpg. You should really learn more about cars before telling someone their analysis is wrong. The 5-10% variation your seeing has almost nothing to do with the tires and everything to do with the cold weather and winter fuel. Energy saver tires simply don't make a 5-10% difference, even according to the manufacturers of them. The average difference they make is about 2%, with the biggest difference being what tires were being run before the switch. It's a known fact that winter fuel has about 2% less energy than summer fuel. Cars also get worse mpg in cold weather, and hybrids get effected worse. Espw ones with li-ion batteries that are known to perform poorly in the cold, which is exactly why Toyota put NIMH batteries in the AWD Prius still. The same topic was discussed yesterday on a different Toyota forum and the topic is constantly brought up.......

"Cold weather and winter driving conditions can significantly reduce fuel economy. Fuel economy tests show that, in city driving, a conventional gasoline car's gas mileage is roughly 15% lower at 20°F than it would be at 77°F. It can drop as much as 24% for short (3- to 4-mile) trips.

The effect on hybrids is typically greater - with fuel economy dropping about 30% to 34% under these conditions. For hybrids, fuel economy typically decreases by 20% to 40% in city driving and 25% to 45% on short trips."

Fuel Economy in Cold Weather | Department of Energy.

"The typical low-rolling resistance tire should save somewhere between 1.0% and 4.0% per gallon compared to a traditional all-season that does not have low-rolling resistance features."

November 2023 Fuel Efficient Tires - Right for my Vehicle?


I'll take 2mpg less to make sure the car stops and responds properly in bad weather any day of the week.

 

I tried some Yokohamas, didn’t like them, got really noisy. Just switched them out, back to the Toyo A29. So much better.

 

I’d take that with a grain of salt; have replaced tires with “LRR” and seen mpg plummet. Nobody’s policing the tire manufacturers who’re making the claims AFAIK.

 

That data is from independent sources not manufactures. Tirerack has also done independent testing showing same results. On top of that you ALWAYS are going to see a drop in mpg when going from old worn tires to new ones because of the increased tread, which means more resistance, weight ect.....
https://www.tirerack.com/landing/fuel_efficiency.jsp?tab=Research

 

Perfect information. Michelin Cross Climate 2 and Bridgestone weather peak are the two I would look into if I lived in your area based on your driving style.

 

Especially a larger diameter so fewer revolutions/mile, but that is a change in odometer calibration, not a true drop in MPG.

JeffD

 

I have had replacement tires billed as LRR, that didn’t drop mpg a jot, even slightly improved. Specifically: Bridgestone Ecopia EP20.

And I’ve had replacement tires billed as LRR, that gave significant mpg drop, at least 15%, and took well over a year to start a partial recoup. Specifically: Michelin Primacy MXM4.

In both instances the older tires were comparable size, well worn, by the same manufacturers, and all tires had the manufacturer’s LRR designation.

 

Yes but people only go by what they "see" on the dash from the computer. Rarely does anyone actually calculate their mpg manually tank by tank.

 

With my gen 3 the car’s displayed mpg has proven to be optimistic by about 7%, but consistently so.

 

Your tire diameter (revs/mile) affects the accuracy of the computer and gas fill calculations. Using your GPS is not affected.

JeffD

 

Every manufacturer seems to be optimistic

Exactly my point, so not sure what your arguing about. You said that it's not a "true drop in mpg". Hence my response to you saying that. And besides that there are MANY other factors that also have an impact on that number the computer displays on the dash such as recent driving style, ambient temps ect ect. Regardless a larger diameter absolutely does have a negative affect on mpg, even if the computer is displaying that drop accurately or not. In this case it's temporary until the new tires wear down a little, usually about 2/32.

 

Still the same two Michelin and Bridgestone

 

I personally like Michelin Defender T+H A/S tires. They are rated low resistance too.
They provided good fuel economy, good tracking and low(er) road noise comparing to other cheaper brands I previously tried. Not coming back to cheaper ones, they cost more in the end.

 

The Defenders are.loke a step below the CC2 but still good tire