Featured People Don't Realize How Much of a Marvel of Engineering The 2023 Toyota Prius Prime Truly Is

Very nice article on a special vehicle

Over 600 miles gas range + 44 mile electric range.

No other car in the world can do that!

 

Yup you're correct .27 Cd for the SE and .29 for the XSE and XSE Premium. The 2023 Prime Cd is worse than the 2017-2022 Prime.

 

Some things I read in articles like this leave me shaking my head:

Um, doesn't every engine have the exact same efficiency, in EV mode?

 

Sure, I guess you'd have to call it zero. Can't be 100% because I'd think efficiency = (work out)/(work in)
But then you could say that the most efficient is an engine that weighs the least, thus having the smallest effect on EV efficiency.

Mike

 

Who'd want to buy a brand new Prius that you can't actually walk into a Toyota Dealership and buy? The 2023 will no doubt be a collector's car because the amount they're going to be making is hardly any. So much so that some Stealerships are selling them with a $10K mark up for impatient buyers who don't want to wait for months or years.

More to the point there's no way Toyota will ever build a better economy car in such huge numbers that they dwarfed all the other hybrid competition combined when they sold the Gen2 Prius... I agree with this guy when he says the Prius Gen2 was the greatest automotive engineering advancement of our lifetime and it was one of the best cars ever made. He goes into lots of details too. It's impossible for Toyota to get back to that level of success. They've been failing at trying to do that ever since:

 

Torque News is always like that... They don't have editorial oversight and some of the stuff that website will say will make you shake your head so much you might torque a neck muscle or slip a disk if you aren't careful.

 

looks like a cut and paste from toyota marketing. i love the two comments

 

Neither my 2017 BMW i3-REx nor 2019 Tesla Model 3 are at risk. The new Prime has apparently fixed many of the reasons I traded my 2017 Prime in for the Tesla.

Bob Wilson

 

The correct mathematic or physics answer is efficiency is undefined because 0/0 is undefined.

But the statement really was about electrical efficiency of any ice vehicle stated as 133 mpge. Pure evs reach this but no other phevs, not that they really are trying.

The prius prime is an engineering marvel, but the rav4 prime is more of what the market wants.

 

I bought my 2004 for efficiency and practicality. I replaced it with a 2017 Prime for more efficiency. G5 goes backwards in both areas. It's only advantage is a bit more EV range. I think this is the first Prius that went backwards in efficiency.

I won't go backwards. I'm averaging 191 Wh/mile in my Prime and 14 Wh/mile on my e-bike. New e-bike coming in a few hours. I rode one of these one time and averaged 10.6Wh/mile. Makes it hard to want to drive a car if efficiency means anything to you.

 

me neither, why i went with a bolt

 

Some excellent points and I agree....some marvelous engineering feats are found in the Toyota Hybrid! I've owned one from 2017 and still learning the differences over ICE cars. (I do think it's funny how the 12-volt battery was in the rear, then the front, then the rear, then the front....good grief!!)
Not having a spare tire is, I think, one of the dumbest things Toyota is doing...come on, at least have a little donut spare!!!

 

or even a place for one

 

Yep... After Gen2 Prius their improvements too often turned into detriments, especially aesthetics... In terms of number of cars sold, overall reliability, simplicity, aesthetics and repair costs they are never gonna make a better hybrid car than the Gen2 Prius. Ever since they introduced the Gen3 and beyond Toyota has been doing lots of incredibly misguided and often baffling changes that made the car worse, not better.

 

Well, the 2017 Prime I have is way quieter, slightly more efficient and can be driven in EV mode, compared to my 2004. But internal storage is way worse, which forced me to change what I carry and how I carry it. Overall, I use 2/3rds less fossil fuels to drive it compared to the 2004, and it's way more pleasant to drive.