Featured New Study Reveals American EV Confusion, Desire For Electric Toyotas

ICE engines are the highest danger, then NCA (by a lot), then LFP.

 

Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Yes, that's probably true.

Reliable source: It's October of 2023. There are only a handful of EV's on the US market, and I obsess over them since before getting the Avalon that's the kind of car I wanted and I tried to make work. But that 2013 Leaf failed to work out. Now I feel priced out, and not because I'm uncertain, rather because I've done the math and can't make an EV work right now. So I'd say that it's also frustration, not just FUD.

Yes, I obsess over future EV's too. When will there be another Bolt? When will there be a Model 2 in the USA? Will there be a 4 or 5 passenger Aptera and for how much? What cars will still get the full Tax credit next year and in the years to come? When will a used EV be affordable and practical? What will I be able to afford? That's a lot of uncertainty. So maybe I should just stick to the now. Right now I can't get an EV. But right now I don't need another car. And other people's circumstances are different than mine.

(Doubt) Do you have a referrence to that number?

 

Forget brands. This is just representative of how much safer or dangerous the differences is - between ice and EV
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BAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! Nobody gets me.

I already said I'm under the assumption that EV's are, overall, less flammable than ICEV's. But I still would prefer a LFP EV, period, end of story, that's my preferrence, you're not convincing me otherwise. Not that I wouldn't consider an NCA EV, but if given the choice, I want LFP. LFP is still less flammable than NCA. That's good in my opinion. I don't care if everyone's opinion is different. It's just my own opinion based on a small fact. So give me LFP!

And no, I still don't see how proving that LFP EV's are less flammable than gasoline EV's proves, beyond all doubt, that NCA EV's are 10 times better than gasoline powered vehicles. They are less than 10 times if you go by the article. It could be 5 times better, or 2 times better. The answer would have to include how many Teslas are NCA and how many are LFP to actually prove the point. Without that info, NCA could be just as bad as gasoline. I doubt it is that bad, but we still don't have a precise number here.

Anyhow, this is the same as "oh, EV's have a lower center of gravity, so buy a crossover." I still prefer a sedan or similar type vehicle, one that's lower to the ground. That's what I prefer. That's my preference. That's my opinion. I do care that that EV's have lower center's of gravity, including crossovers. But still, I want a sedan or wagon (as in Mazda 6 Wagon or VW Golf Wagon, that kind of Wagon, not the-Model-Y-is-the-new-Wagon Wagon).

 

First, no one is telling you not to prefer LFPs. I prefer LFPs for a number of reasons (fire isn’t one).

I did some digging. The article uses the 2020 Tesla Impact report as a source. Tesla started using LFP batteries in China in late 2021.
So to answer your question about how many of the batteries were LFP, none of them. The listed improvement is solely due to non-LFP batteries.

Edit:
Here is fire data from a number of years: https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
Scroll down a ways to the ‘Fire Safety’ section.

 

The $7500 credit is divided into two parts. The car qualifies for one half by assembling the pact in the North America. That other half requires a certain percentage of materials/minerals for the battery to come from the US or 'friendly' countries.

The Model 3 with LFP gets $3750, because Tesla assembles the pack here, but the cells come from China. Can't know what the new Bolt will get until we have details, but I expect at least the $3750 for assembly for it.

 

That's good info! Thanks!

Also, I did a little searching and found a quote that all

Point zero three percent of what, I don't know. But it does seem an EV is far less likely to catch fire.

Some day, I'll be driving an EV again.

That's fine. It just means I won't be getting an EV in 2024. So I'll have to wait until 2025 and see. Lot's of things can change in a year or two.