Featured New Study Reveals American EV Confusion, Desire For Electric Toyotas

That is what NEVI was created to address.

National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure

 

it does take planning, and people who don't plan before they buy an ev might not plan afterwards, unless they plan to sell it

 

Ya, there is no such thing as a wrong opinion, be it your's or mine or someone else's.

I am the type of person who is perhaps the worst car buyijng customer in the USA. I like niche cars but am frugal.

If only there were a 4-door Aptera wagon... with a stick shift... for $15,000.

 

PLANNING, Bob style:

In August, I found a good deal on a used 2017 BMW i3-REx which I paid $15,000 to be backup for my 2019 Model 3. Sure enough, Sunday afternoon, I installed a CCS-1 kit and instead of taking 20-30 minutes to reload the software, it ran for over 3 hours ... the Tesla was bricked.

While waiting, I took the BMW to Costco for groceries and came back to see the Tesla still frozen. No rental, Uber, or other nonsense, my life continued.

Once home and the Tesla still bricked, I did a second, 12 V power-ON reset and the Tesla came back to life. Only now, CCS-1 enabled. Testing: L2 charging worked; CCS-1 charging at an Electrify America station mostly worked, and; Supercharging worked.

Self-maintenance requires a second car and the BMW just paid for itself. Now to get back to Tesla tire testing. It is a lot more fun to jump out of perfectly fine airplane with a reserve chute.

Bob Wilson

 

Agree completely.
Now compare that to my Middle East studies professor niece who got a good deal’ on a Volvo EV, tried to drive from NY to MA, arriving at a charging station with 16 miles of battery left and the chargers were all broken.
Had to get flat bedded to a working station.

 

In my case we all have to bike or walk when the Avalon is out-of-commision. There is no Über or taxi here. There is a free van ride for drunk people, but you have to be drunk to get the free ride. Maybe some day I'll own two working vehicles again. I miss the days when we had the 1972 Beetle and the 1985 VW Golf.

Why would a Tesla "brick" itself?

 

Showing up to stations that were broken happened to me in the 84-mile range Leaf. It was kind of scary, as I had planned on charging there and the next station would be some 50 miles away. So I crept at 20mph along the side of the interstate in order to make it to the next charging station. It worked, barely.

 

I read this twice and I'm still looking for the downside

 

Different brands require different levels of planning.

My trip to CA, required some planning for charging. It wasn’t that much though. I spent more time planning our hotel stops.

In a bit over a year when almost everyone can use superchargers, it will be a much better experience for non-Tesla owners.

 

Of course the reality is that I don't drink and it might not be a good idea to get my minor children drunk just to transport them. But who knows, I've never tried it before.

 

In our area, we have actual competition!

Holiday Stations have been installing ABB units at a surprising rate. Burnsville, Plymouth, Monticello and Woodbury are all locations on the "soon" list that I would be able to take advantage of. Heading down to your area in the summer, that Holiday along 52 scheduled chargers will be really nice.

Little Falls will be getting Tesla units... apparently within the next few weeks... probably a scramble before snow. Since V4 uses V3 tech and the only actual difference currently is the "dispenser", it will be intriguing to find out what gets put there.

 

With my traveling work I spend a lot of time in hotels. Some have chargers, and there are always a few guests with EVs because there just are a few everywhere now.

Some of the hotels I've stayed at have a bunch of the big Tesla chargers, and they get a lot of transient activity. Others have a single space with a post bearing a 20A plug with a weathered sign on it advertising its availability to hotel guests only, and a few have nothing at all.

I imagine that EV owners work to find hotels with easy charging access. I would. But I suppose it can't always go according to plan?

--storytime alert--

One place I visited this summer had just two parking spaces set for charging. I didn't look closely at the kind of charger, but it couldn't have been anything very fast, just judging from the size of equipment.

After a long day at work, I found myself driving back to the hotel. I followed a Tesla into the hotel lot, as it happened. The Tesla driver immediately saw the two spaces with chargers, which were both occupied and charging.

And then he stopped his car dead in the driveway, a sudden halt. I watched him pull out his phone and proceed to start yelling at whomever he called. Meanwhile I'm stuck in the driveway behind him, and shortly there are about 4 more cars behind me, all just trying to get 'home' and park for the night. It wasn't long before everyone got on their horns to persuade this guy to get out of the way.

The symphony was brief but effective. The Tesla driver demonstrated the dramatic acceleration capability of his vehicle through the lot to some other area. The rest of us parked and got on with our evenings.

Later that evening I went back out again and saw the same car, parked very awkwardly next to one of the charger spaces. Wasn't in a regular spot, two wheels up on a curb, just sort of wedged in. There was a piece of paper on the windshield of the car charging next to it.

I wasn't curious enough to approach, but just seeing this situation gave me a lot to consider about electrified transport.

 

Confusing is understatement.
Probably half the states taxing Prii is because the officials don't think plug-in should be tax free (but Prii do not plug in at all ).

On the EV side the advocates are such advocates trying to force everyone to EV.
So 5.6% EV's? Take out California, what is it? I used to be one of the stats guru's here but I am out of practice. Harder, but now take out subsidies/free HOV and tell me %EV.

The whole world going electric...but what does that mean? Hybrids+ PHEV+ BEV? In the USA, EV advocates want to say anything other than BEV is unethical.

We have a lot of How to Lie with Statistics going on, on the one hand to say EV way best for any possible use, so you'd have to be unethical and/or idiot not to own one, and on the other hand, the backlash effect on that push.

 

My loaded hybrid SUV capitol cost was $15k less than an equivalent in utility EV. My fuel cost has been 7 cents a mile over 31k miles.

Now explain again to me how a EV is cheaper within a reasonable time.

The interest on the purchase savings has more than paid for the fuel and maintenance during the first 4 years.

 

Depends on your electrical costs, and you do know your gas is subsidized by ev drivers

my bolt is 21k after tax credits, how much was your rav4h?

 

Exactly, this is what innocent ignorant buyers don’t explore pre purchase

 

This is not correct. States know, very well, that a HEV doesn’t have a plug. When I have looked up the laws, they have been framed that any car that gets over X MPG, pays a fee.

Never met such a person.

Why not take out Texas & Florida too, then you can make the numbers look even worse.

I’ve met thousands of EV advocates over the last 13 years. While all agree EVs are wonderful, I haven’t met a single one that insisted “anything other than a BEV is unethical”

I am not sure where you are getting those notions.

 

many of us enjoy a cocktail at the end of the day...

 

The "ICE bans" in the US allow PHEVs. Other regions will allow mild hybrids with them.

Minority opinions that get air and screen time for the same reason the EVs won't work ones do.

 

That should be perfectly reasonable by then... since required range minimums and convenient/reliable charging won't be a big deal.

 

I'm affraid of the dissapearing middleclass causing a greater void between those that can afford to own a car and those that can't.

We just went through a pandemic and everything is more expensive, except wages haven't kept up. At least not my wages. Some say I should move somewhere where homes are cheaper and where I could start working for a unionized job of some sort so that I can actually asipre to things like home ownership and actually be able to afford a new car. Personally, I'm not sure if that's reasonable in my case, but maybe.

With more stingent laws on cars, cars should only become more expensive, at least at first. I was hoping to maybe snag a $15,000-$16,000ish new car as my next car when the Avalon gives out, which is at the top of my current budget. But all cars under $20,000 are on the chopping block as we speak. $20,000 is the new $15,000. By 2030 $25,000 or $30,000 or more could be the new "cheapest car." I'm also now scared to buy used anymore. Too many horror stories.

I don't know what's reasonable. I guess I shouldn't fear the future as we have no idea of how it will actually pan out. I better start saving my pennies that I'm saving by not having a car payment.