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2024 $7500. "tax rebate"

Discussion in 'EV (Electric Vehicle) Discussion' started by PA Prius, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. PA Prius

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    Am I understanding this correctly-- beginning in 2024 the $7500. tax rebate will no longer depend on someone owing that much tax? If so, what is different than this simply being a $7500 discount to those being the approved new vehicles and falling under the income thresholds? This feels quite significant.
     
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    The difference is if you end up not qualifying because of exceeding the msrp limit even with options or exceed the maximum income then you have to pay IRS back.

    Plus the ev has to be made here which excludes Toyota.
     
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    The way I'm reading it - It's not finalized yet. It's in the public comment faze before completion and implementation.

    That's assuming we don't get a government shut-down after Nov. 15......:(:sleep:
     
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    It will make purchasing an ev much simpler and economical in regards to immediate cash outlay, or reduced financing, and a lot more people will qualify
     
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    No matter what they do, I still qualify. (y)
     
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    The upper limit has never been my challenge. It is that I owe little or no federal tax. My understanding is that I could get the immediate $7500 discount and would not need to balance that out at tax time. Basically a discount for persons in similar situations as mine.
     
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    exactly, should qualify a lot more people and move more ev's!
     
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    More made here evs.
     
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    if tesla holds pricing, i could walk in january 1st and buy a model 3 for 30k, and get another 4k from the state!
     
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    And the supposed deal where you lease it for two years, receiving the $7500 tax credit (I don't know how that is figured into the lease) and then buy it after two years, receiving the $4000 for used purchase. All while lamenting the high national debt. o_O
     
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    yah, i can't figure the leasing thing out. i looked at a few different models, and the leases seemed very expensive to me. i feel like the mfg/dealers are putting the money in their pockets
     
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    That's exactly what's going to happen. Dealers will only lease cars for zero down, using the $7500 as payment. They get the car back on a short term lease and sell it again. Or some variation of that scheme. All that's going to do is keep EV prices up - if you can even get your hands on one. Whenever government thinks they're helping, they're actually just skewing market forces. Look at history, when government incentives go away, the car price comes down. The smarter OEM's start offering rebates to move their cars, rather than dilute their pricing models. Inflation eventually will catch up with their pricing models, then the rebates will cease. Tesla only started lowering the price of their cars as they began experiencing surpluses. They were building them faster than they could sell them.

    Just my 2 cents..
     
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    Yeah I discovered that on a used M3 I don't qualify for Federal, State offers zilch. Evergy offers $500 rebate if I get my Ev charger installed by a licensed electrician, (which will cost me $1,800 more than doing it myself) no thanks. So yeah pretty much just buy a Tesla and don't apply for any rebates at all in 2023. Maybe 2024 will be better.
     
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    in the northeast, ev's are piled up on the lots, and even more used available.

    so different than california, dealers and mfg's are going to have to do something to move them.

    the only thing you can't get is a bolt, or any model that isn't loaded with options.

    tesla is still about a month out, which is pretty good
     
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    Another only somewhat related question. $7500. rebate/tax credit for new and $4000. for used. However you may not use the used one more than once every three years. My wife and I file a joint return for our federal tax. May we each buy used within three years and both make use of the $4000 rebate/tax credit?
     
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    i don't think this is the best place for complicated irs questions. i would wait for a final ruling for 2024, if it isn't available yet. there's so much misinformation on the net...
     
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    Yep; I'd wait for the ink to dry before moving forward with a purchase. With our do-nothing - grab the headlines Congress; we'll still be talking about this well into next year. The only difference is how "they" will retro the credit back to the beginning of 2024 - LoL:D:ROFLMAO::cry::sleep::whistle:

    I never count my eggs before they hatch - that's just me....
     
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    Fortunately it's out of the hands of Congress since the Inflation Reduction Act., which includes the EV Tax credit, passed into law. It's still overly complicated, but from the NPR article I posted above, sounds like getting the credit as a dealer rebate is less so.
     
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