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SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, Jan 26, 2020.

  1. hill

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    Very small .... tiny small .... unless it's personal
     
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    The article conflated myocarditis, inflamation of the heart, with myocardial injury, high cardiac toponin levels in the blood. The research was concerned with the latter. They screened patients with high-sensitivity troponin tests to show that myocardial injury is more common than the passive estimates.

    2 of the 22 people with the elevated levels from the vaccine had cardiac symptoms besides these high troponin levels that point to myocarditis. The screening found another 18 people with elevated levels that were deemed pre-exisiting. I say deemed, because they didn't take pre-vaccine samples for a baseline.

    Those 2 aside, the increased troponin levels was the only sign of an issue. No other symptoms. For about half, those levels were down to the normal range in a month. It appears to be an acute injury for most. Heavy exercise during that time could make things worse, but then heavy exercise has been linked to increasing these levels itself.

    While getting a booster means a higher chance of myocardial injury than the normal expected rate, it is still lower than heart complications from an actual infection. Those are more likely to be serious, and longer term..

    The actual research.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/ejhf.2978
     
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    When I worked on my PhD, we learned about the VERY stringent rules adopted in 1979 called The Belmont Report. The reason human testing (biomedical and behavioral) is so regulated and managed, internationally, is because of the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany.

    The number of laws broken/ignored in order to "fast track" the first set of covid "vaccines" is shocking and, now, we know it had almost zero impact on the virus, which had over a 98% survival rate when it first broke out...even less today. The fact that it's nearly impossible, even today, to research the adverse reactions to the vaccine is ridiculous...we're talking about public safety. We're talking about young athletes who are healthy dropping dead from myocarditis in unseen numbers. Lately, oncologists are reporting a huge increase in cancer patients...saying they used to have to wait weeks to make an appointment but now it's months and they are seeing a rapidly-growing cancer they are calling "turbo cancer"

    All concerning things...maybe we should push the brakes on all these "vaccines" and do our due diligence to 1) ensure they are safe and effective and 2) not hide the adverse effects of past shots so the public is informed of just WHAT they are injecting into their bodies.

    Many governments used "emergency" powers to cancel the rights of their citizens (including the USA) but, thank God, our Supreme Court has ruled that we are nation of laws and that:

    A mandate is not a law
    "Required" is not a law
    "Ordered" is not a law
    "Requested" is not a law
    An "ordinance" is not a law
    A "Decree" is not a law
    "Recommended" is not a law
    "Compulsory" is not a law

    I'm thankful millions of folks are realizing we are not sheep blindly following the orders of "public health" folks but we have God given rights and we are FULLY within our right to say NO.

    “I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery.” – Jean-Jacques Rousseau

    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”―Benjamin Franklin

    “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.” – Patrick Henry
     
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    can you post one athelete who died from the vaccine?
     
  5. hill

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    Are we entering the realm of Godwin's law now?

    Regarding what goes on with the virus & athletes - the government says the following;

    Screenshot_2023-09-23-12-03-47-18_dc00545bd3b8828f033a02ac25b2d36d.jpg

    COVID-Related Athletic Deaths: Another Perfect Storm? - PMC

    YMMV
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    Fixing the Godwin's Law problem that trivializes genocide with empirical medicine. Here, I'll fix it for you:
    Medical ethics and practices have improved but usually from well known failures. For example, one of the first polio vaccines actually caused polio cases. So our FDA is very cautious. But then came acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS).

    AIDS is a fatal disease that in the 1980s killed a lot of people like tennis star Authur Ashe. As drugs were being tested to fight the HIV virus, the studies took time and more and more people died. So the AIDS activists got the FDA to lighten up on drug testing protocols to allow earlier use by Informed Consent.

    This change and improved HIV treatments did not stop the witchcraft and false claims about AIDS. Ask Robert Kennedy Jr and he'll fill you up with anti-vaccine propaganda including COVID. Such misrepresentations remind me of "Hold my beer, WATCH THIS."

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    The myocarditis headlines and click bait make it seem like a bigger risk than it actually is. It's there, but you still better off with the vaccine than getting the disease.
    "Cases of heart inflammation after vaccination tend to resolve quickly and are very rare. In the highest-risk group, teen boys, myocarditis occurred in 26.7 out of 100,000 cases after the second vaccine dose, while the condition occurred in 59 out of 100,000 cases after coming down with Covid," - What causes rare myocarditis in young men after Covid vaccines?
    The majority induced by the inflammation response, which is easier to treat. With most cases occurring after the second dose, increasing the time between doses could reduce the risk.

    The cancer scare has been part of the antivax movement for years before Covid. The turbo cancer stories are taking research out of context. In one case, the report of a single lab mouse dying. In a study where the mice were recieving higher dosage rates, delivered by a different route than the human vaccine. The mouse strain is also known to develop the cancer in question at older ages.

    As for the clinical reports, there is no direct evidence linking the cancer to the vaccine. Like the mouse, they could be a case coincidence.
    COVID-19 Vaccines Have Not Been Shown to Cause 'Turbo Cancer' - FactCheck.org
    https://aaipvax.org/do-covid-19-vaccines-cause-turbo-cancer/
     
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    Myocarditis causation - it seems it has another cousin. Generally turning on age of the person with the condition, a-fib occurs in ~5% of the population, increasing to 10% once one reaches ~80. For me - it was in my early 20s brought on by an extremely strenuous physically demanding scuba experience. It miraculously resolved 12 hours later. Once you get a-fib you are more prone to have it again. At age 58 & working around nasty solvents where precautions stated; "may cause irregular Heartbeat" yep - strike II. As a precaution follow up, MD required a sleeps study, ending with the diagnosis of sleep apnea which - you guessed it .... can also cause Myocarditis.
    Chicken or the egg - one can cause the other. Now - add both or either to covid or the vaccine? You guessed it that too can add to the causation stew.
    If that's not enough icing on a cake .... if a-fib's not treated w/in 24 hours, a-fib can cause a debilitating or fatal stroke(sigh).
    And having been a long distance swimmer & Runner & cyclist up till just retiring ... same trouser inseam size as when i entered college ...
    There was no vaccine when the 1st people got covid early on like myself symptomless) - & based on time line - red cross identifying my immunity - perhaps my better ½ got hospitalization level covid from me. If I HAD had a shot available, we now say that yes you can still transmit it but not as "likely". ok. i guess ... but how can CDC do THAT study. Or is it that 'likely' is just a safe bet. Having had a stress echo & dye run through the ticker - everything is still picture perfect. Better ½ — not so much. Loss of balance, lethargy, memory - long-covid symptoms for the past couple years. Now she has more empathy for me .... being lethargic and not remembering what she told me 3x.
    ;)
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    reading the whole thing, it seems to be just a paper surmising a lot of things, and mixing covid with covid vaccines.
    i didn't really see anything useful in there except, eat better and don't overtrain
     
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    I was waiting for the name of one athlete, but nothing. It’s a shame really what’s going on.
     
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    Vaccine avoidance seems linked to more demand for assistance from 'the medical system', and to more adverse outcomes. Not reaching beyond that. Some here might be happy about vax denial killing (a few) people and harming more. I cannot be happy, because this drag applied on the medical system (at times) constrains assistance for the whole other world of injured or ill people needing help.

    Years of COVID caused some early retirement of nurse-level medical people.Maybe also at MD physician level? I dun no. Surely not all of that was because of vax avoidance, and avoidance of other sensible public-health measures (mask wearing and hand washing). The roles of A-holes here cannot readily be quantified. Lucky for them, I guess.

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    Yesterday I returned from first-ever visit to Wuhan, known worldwide for COVID. A whole 'nother story.
     
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    Nurses and doctors retired because of Covid, not antivaxxers.
    The stress from the ongoing triage of patients, worrying about catching it, and many older practitioners who were happy to keep working had enough.
     
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    I'm not sure what you've said is that different from what DAS said.

    The stress of having to treat such a crushing load of COVID patients. Even after it should have been lower.
     
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    Wouldn't many other countries love the luxury of arguing if they should get vaccinated or not?

    Wonder what countries who cannot get adequate vaccine quantities and have to watch their country devastated by diseases like Covid might have to add to this discussion.
     
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    Ouch, source abstract:

    Molnupiravir, an antiviral medication that has been widely used against SARS-CoV-2, acts by inducing mutations in the virus genome during replication. Most random mutations are likely to be deleterious to the virus, and many will be lethal, and so molnupiravir-induced elevated mutation rates reduce viral load1,2. However, if some patients treated with molnupiravir do not fully clear SARS-CoV-2 infections, there could be the potential for onward transmission of molnupiravir-mutated viruses. Here we show that SARS-CoV-2 sequencing databases contain extensive evidence of molnupiravir mutagenesis. Using a systematic approach, we find that a specific class of long phylogenetic branches, distinguished by a high proportion of G-to-A and C-to-T mutations, appear almost exclusively in sequences from 2022, after the introduction of molnupiravir treatment, and in countries and age-groups with widespread usage of the drug. We identify a mutational spectrum, with preferred nucleotide contexts, from viruses in patients known to have been treated with molnupiravir and show that its signature matches that seen in these long branches, in some cases with onwards transmission of molnupiravir-derived lineages. Finally, we analyse treatment records to confirm a direct association between these high G-to-A branches and the use of molnupiravir.

    This begs the question of other HIV treatments.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    HIV? Or COVID?

    I guess antivirals generally, hmm.

    I remember reading with interest about Paxlovid in my last bout with COVID, where P'vid made a wondrous difference. I was pleased to read that it seems to act on a detail of coronavirus structure that seems relatively very stable.


    This morning, I discovered a new way to pass the time after a vaccination while waiting around to be sure I don't react.

    While I was sitting there getting my shot, a local law-enforcement officer poked his head in the cubicle, and asked to confirm my name (he had it right), and said he'd like to talk with me a little about something when I was done.

    So once there weren't needles in me any more, I stood up unhastily and walked with him toward the door of the pharmacy. As we passed one of the aisles, another LEO emerged and joined him on my other side. Another aisle further down, another LEO. By the time we walked out the door there were 3 or 4 LEOs with me, and about four cruisers in the parking lot waiting for us. He said I matched the description of someone they were interested in finding, and so did my car. (I mean, I guess the car matched ... you know what I mean.)

    So I sat there quietly for 10 or 15 minutes while they chatted furtively on their radios, and asked about my address, and what route I had driven to get there, and one of the cruisers left, and another one showed up later and drove slowly past, looking me over but without getting out, and then they thanked me for my cooperation and said I was free to go.

    And by that time, I probably hadn't reacted to the shots. :D

    Whoever they were looking for, I'm guessing it wasn't for jaywalking.
     
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    Oh man, the COVID shot hurt … $180!

    Bob Wilson
     
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    If yo qualified for Medicaid, it would have been free.

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    Just Medicare. Still no interest in Part D. I don’t believe in paying an insurance company so the can tell me ‘NO.’

    Bob Wilson