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Brake booster less noisy after unrelated maintenance?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by eezybeezy, Sep 18, 2023.

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    eezybeezy New Member

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    Ever since I bought my 2015 Prius three months ago, the brakes have made a loud psss sound, like air escaping, when I press them. Loud enough to hear from the backseat, and it sounds like it comes from near the brake pedal. And pretty often, I would hear the brake booster recharge, the motor refilling it with air I guess.

    I just cleaned out all the EGR parts, including the intake manifold, replaced the PCV valve, and added coolant, since it was at the Low mark, I don't know how long it's been that low. And I just noticed that the hissing sound is much quieter now, where I can barely hear it.

    Can anyone make sense of this? Coincidence?

    Here's what ChatGPT said:

    "It's interesting that the noise has reduced after you added coolant; while it generally wouldn't have a direct impact on the brake system, a properly functioning cooling system can aid in the overall efficiency and functioning of the car, including potentially reducing stress on other systems. It's plausible that your brake booster was working harder due to compromised efficiency elsewhere in the engine."
     
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    One more maintenance item was cleaning the MAF sensor, but also seemingly very unrelated.

    Maybe I just jostled some parts related to the brake booster while digging around near the EGR cooler.
     
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    ChatGPT has clearly been trained by reading terabytes of the previous generations of internet hogwash that tries to hold your attention as long as possible without you noticing it's got nothing to say about your problem.

    There isn't supposed to be air in the brake system. The brake booster pump (which is a separate part from the brake booster) doesn't pump air, it pumps brake fluid. It pumps that fluid into an 'accumulator', which does have some 'air' (well, nitrogen, about 78% of air anyway) trapped in it, on the other side of a sealed bellows. That squeezes the nitrogen, making the pressure to operate the brakes.

    The nitrogen is supposed to be trapped on its own side of the bellows there. Sometimes after years of use, the bellows might leak, and then there will be nitrogen bubbles in the brake fluid, and the result is much the same as if somebody did work on the brake system and left air bubbles in it (only it can happen without anybody doing work on the brakes).

    When you have bubbles in the line (whether they are air from poorly-done brake work, or nitrogen from a leaky bellows), you'll notice the same way. When you press the brake, instead of only enough brake fluid moving to press the pads against the rotors, there has to be a big squirt of fluid to compress the bubbles in the lines and then press the pads to the rotors, and you can hear that psss sound.

    Not sure why you're hearing it less now, but none of the other work you have done will have fixed it. You fix bubbles in a brake system by bleeding the bubbles out. That's what you have to do, no matter if they are there from previous work letting air in, or a slow accumulator leak letting nitrogen across.

    If the bubbles were only from past work letting air in, then your brake bleeding will be once and done. If the bubbles are nitrogen from a slow accumulator leak, you'll eventually have bubbles again, but that could take quite a while, and meanwhile your brakes work.

    Notice that the longer you drive around with bubbles and don't bleed them out, the more cycling you are putting on the accumulator bellows and the pump, because that much more fluid is used every time you brake. If the accumulator already has a slow leak, all the extra cycling will only wear it out faster. If you get the bubbles out now, and you don't need to do it again for a couple years, you may delay the need for eventual replacement.

    Also, with big enough bubbles in the system, you may risk a situation where if anything causes the brakes to switch to fail-safe mode (where it's just your foot, the pedal, and the fluid), your pedal will go to the floor and the car keeps going. Nobody likes that.

    Bleed those brakes.
     
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    Ok I'll try to learn how to do that, thanks.

    Also, the sound is back to how it was, and I'm suspecting it may be that I drove in the coldest conditions since buying the car and that somehow affected it.