Featured Tesla uses profits as a weapon

The insurance rates for plug ins increasing probably has something to do with manufacturer behavior, coupled with insurance company fear of a fire. Manufacturers aren't allowing deep diagnostics of the battery pack, or the design simply doesn't allow it. So with a minor accident that may have impacted the battery, it isn't possible to check the battery health. Worried about a possible short that leads to a fire, the insurance company calls for the entire pack to be replaced.

In the past year, a poster here had the pack of their Prius Prime replaced because rodents chewed up the wiring harness connecting to the car. In addition to paying the few hundred dollars for the harness, the insurance company paid thousands more for a battery out of an abundance of caution.

 

eventually, they'll come back to earth as the actuarial tables allow. i'll post the bolts premium when i get it

 

one insurance agent that gave me a quote mentioned that when teslas get in accidents large portions of the car need to be replaced.

but perhaps a lot of it just has to do with the fact that the vehicle’s sticker price is $40k, whereas the prius’s is $27k, and tesla parts are more expensive than prius parts.

so, yeah, so far tesla has missed the opportunity to create an affordable ev for “everyone”. Chevy has missed it as well; while they are where it is at for pricing they could not produce anything of decent quality and reliability..

 

the opportunity is still there. decent quality and reliability haven't slowed gm down outside of ev's

 

Its true. I really hate gm generally tho lol. And im beginning to hate tesla.

perhaps lucid will surprise us and produce an affordable ev. Or maybe Tesla can break away from Musk somehow. That latter scenario would be great imo.

What is it with car companies being run by bigots? It really is like musk is trying to be the Henry ford of the 2020s, aping his every move like a child diligently mimicking a forefather but too oblivious and autistic to distinguish between his forefathers good and bad behavior.

 

i have hated gm since they took all their stockholders out.

they lured me back with the bolt price though.

i pay no attention to musk, you can't believe half of what you read, so what's the point?

it's all about product and price, but without musk, idk if we'll ever see an affordable ev in our lifetime.

what is affordable though? hard to pinpoint

 

Even with the price hike, the prius is affordable, for me. And given its original premise/market, and its popularity with taxi drivers, I think it is fair to say it is affordable generally (tho still not a “cheap” car).

as for musk, i believe what is written by reputable journalists in established newspapers, and I look for quotations. Lucky for me Musk makes it easy to verify because he shamelessly posts his bigoted garbage on his own twitter, so no need to be skeptical!

I do not know, my guess is that in 3ish years they will just make an electric Prius. Call it the ”prius prime plus” or the “prius e” or something. I hope so anyway. If they don’t toyota’s ceo’s brain is a peanut. Either that or their fuel cell bet will have paid off

as you say, it is all about product and price. I dont even know toyota’s ceo’s name…and I hardly care. That’s how i like it. With a tesla, it is different, and it is fine if that’s your politics but if it isn’t it is not cool. I don’t need my car to be sold with a “1% for the planet” sticker. I’m very happy with the ceo being a rnadom guy in a suit who knows when to keep his mouth shut

 

i waited 11 years for a prius bev, would be all over it.

 

Perhaps try FHOP - for non-thread related input re who hates who politically?
Segway in back to the OP somewhat - if that's ok ........
Starting to lose track of the states & countries switching from Prius to "another model" ride share & taxis;







btw that last pic is from ny ny. And as mentioned already. Taxi drivers know what is cheapest to drive around in supposedly .... whether it's fueling costs or maintenance or Insurance based logic. Our last few Uber rides were not in Priuses as well.

YMMV
& as the op title states ...
profit as a weapon



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A lot more people are surviving similar sorts of wrecks in many brands and models of the most modern cars.

His evil plan very likely would have worked if he had consulted a tide table. If it hadn't happened during a lower tide, everyone would have drowned before any possible extrication.

 

Some of it is the segment premium, but there is also not as many repair shops for Teslas either. In the case of the S and X, even fewer can work on the aluminum frames.

Then the drive for reducing production costs can lead to higher repair costs. Megacasting one big section of the car reduces costs, and can improve strength, but it menas replacing a smaller subsection is no longer an option. Toyota and others will likely be adopting this. Structural batteries sound great, but battery replacement means replacing parts of the frame.

The Volt reliability was supposedly up there with the Prius. The GMs and Fords I had weren't issue free, but the problems were ones I could fix on my own.

 

Yes except theyve been producing priuses for, what, 20 years, and will likely produce more next year. Are they still producing Volts? Will they produce Bolts in 2024?

No, theyre extinct, which to me makes them
Unreliable and undesirable. It really is pathetic, besides luxury vehicles there is no realistic option other than a model 3, which is kind of a luxury vehicle

There is really no car that’s more rational to buy than a prius. The issue is, this year, priuses are extremely difficult to buy.

 

So are you reinforcing that stereotype and calling everyone who drives a Tesla a rich douchebag, a free speech warrior and a bigot?
Seems a little bit harsh.
Are all Prius drivers that judgemental before they know anything about a person?

Mike

 

i don’t want people to associate me with those things. Because I am not naive, I am aware of the things that come to people’s minds when they see someone in a particular vehicle.

these stereotypes exist about prius drivers as well.

there are stereotypes about women, blacks etc, but unlike with those categories you can choose your car. There are stereotypes about the occupations people choose and hobbies as well. If we didnt make inferences or assumptions about people based on things that are perceptible to us, social life would be impossible to navigate. Instead of “judging” that a person dressed in all blue with a hat with a badge his a police officer, we would go to the random person wearing green and puple and a mets cap and ask them if they are a police officer when we were mugged or need to get our cat from a tree…you get the idea. Some of the assumptions we make about people are toxic and bigoted of course, like how women are stereotyped as nurturing or black males as dangerous…but others are fairly innocuous, like how tye dye shirt wearers are probably hippies, or how prius drivers care about the environment or mpg, or…….

in any case, i attract a certain set of people in parking lots with my current prius. I anticipate that given musk’s recent behavior I might attract a set of people who I don’t really appreciate

now if I were “reinforcing that stereotype”, i would buy a tesla and start spouting off conspiracy theories about how the Jews run the world and how trans people ask too much from society. If tesla owners and shareholders would like to change that stereotype then they can campaign to have Elon Musk no longer be the ceo of Tesla. But that won’t happen because most are indifferent.

 

(sigh)
Please stop giving evidencece of acting the ignorant fool. AGAIN - save it for FHOP.
Otherwise - why not further prove cluelessness by saying "if blacks want to improve their image they would stop ending up in jail" ... no wonder my recemtly passed away black father-in-law sees such people as proving the very stereotypes they condemn others of having. @3PriusMike correctly called it out.
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There is a huge difference between minorities trying to improve their image (which is not their responsibility) and Tesla owners trying to make excuses for the most racist CEO of an auto company since Henry Ford himself. Let’s not try to make strawman arguments and false equivalences. If privileged Tesla owners are not content with being associated with an unhinged bigot, they can campaign to oust that CEO. Also, if Musk doesn’t want bigotry to be associated with Teslas, he can stop being a bigot. Until then, though, that’s what it is. And no, you’re right, it is nothing like your father in law’s experience, and he would probably be insulted if you likened his experience to that of Tesla owners. Why don’t you double check with your spouse?

 

The is a really simplistic view. Toyota no longer makes the Avalon. Is it unreliable? What about the Celica? MR2? Solara? Without wanting to support jobs back home and the Prime, the Prius would be dead too? Without the plug in, sales of the gen4 were lower than the Avalon.

GM is shifting production around. The Bolt is returning next year with a refresh. Public outcry may have pressured them, but the original cancelling was because GM is going to use that factory for EV pick ups, not because the car was undesirable.The Volt died for similar reasons. GM cancelled three large sedans made at that factory, and then shut it down.

 

Interestingly, I did the long jdpower service history survey on the '21 Avalon hybrid today. Free dollar.

So many questions I wanted to reply yes but with an explanation. For example how I want to schedule an appointment is odd because I pass the dealer every trip into town so it is just as easy for me to make the appointment when the sight of the sign reminds me I should stop. How long after drop off did the service take? Who cares. I drop it off the night before and pick it up when they call me it is ready. And since they no longer make the car, again why bother telling them what to improve.