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2023 Global Hurricanes and Typhoons

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by tochatihu, May 26, 2023.

  1. jerrymildred

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    I'm back from the meeting. I drove through a couple rain squalls on the way over. Saw nothing worse than a few trigs on the road. Traffic was about 1/3 of normal for the middle of a weekday, which is still a lot of cars if you know S.R. 54.

    Coming back, the sky got bluer and bluer the farther west I went. In both directions the people on the radio were urging people to stay inside because if they went outside they would most certainly trip over downed power lines or drive into deep water. I'm sure that's possible in some areas near Tampa Bay or the Gulf coast. And there are several thousand power outages, but this is nothing like Hurricane Ian 11 months ago. And that was a non-event for our neighborhood. But, in fact, no one is permitted to go west of US 19 in this area. I hear the storm surge is a pretty big deal over there.
     
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    Sounds like you dodged a bullet!
     
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    So much for Florida insurance.

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    Yeah. Tallahassee needs to get off their backsides and do something about all the insurance fraud in this state that's compounding the cost of the disasters. And don't get me started on people who build in places that regularly get inundated.
     
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    Comparing wind fields of 2022 Ian and 2023 Idalia
    2022 Ian wind snake.png
    2023 Idalia wind snake.png
    Apology for different sizes.
     
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    Hurricane numbers, intensity, and land interactions vary through time. Readers here have more interest in Florida than in in Typhoon Saola now near Hong Kong, modifying coastal environments there and northwards.

    US Natl Hurricane Ctr has HURDAT, with Atlantic hurricane records since about year 1856. Within that are Florida landfalling hurricanes. Earlier records could be incomplete. But I assembled FL data in a brief effort. I aggregated Florida landfalling hurricane data in 20-year chunks, working backwards from 2023. I did not expect to see these results.

    FL hurric history.png

    This analysis as it stands looks unpleasant. It could be improved by further examination of HURDAT (not the easiest nut to crack). There are many ‘real’ hurricane experts with emails, who might be interested in this.

    History before 1856 is at least partially ‘behind the veil’. Sorry.

    Will the next chunk (years 2024 to 2043) be higher, flat or lower? Sorry, can’t tell you that either. Some will suggest a climate-change linkage and they are not necessarily wrong to do so.

    But more fundamentally, one may wonder about the overall wisdom of extensive human activities in places (like Florida) that audaciously protrude into hurricane zones. The earth’s ocean heat engines operate at much-larger-than-human scales. Whether or not they get tickled by a few more watts trapped by a little more CO2.

    To repeat myself, I was shocked by this. Needs confirmation.
     
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    For any watchers of Typhoon Saola, it is now forecast to go southwest along China cost and wander around Hainan island for a while. This one's track predictions have been all over the place. Lots of TV coverage (for me but not for thee)
     
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    extensive human activities rarely come from wisdom, unfortunately.

    until government bailouts stop, unwise activity will continue.

    as an owner in the marriotts florida vacation club, i can't say that i'm unbiased, but i do prefer orlando long term to coastal sites.
     
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    i like that one
     
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    The tropical tidbits link is self updating so no need to repeat it here.

    One version which recurves late and little shows Cape Cod getting some action. But most versions do not.

    Our next contestant is Margot which will recurve in an area even further eastward. Not a landfaller in Americas.
     
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    let's keep it that way
     
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    May your wishes not sink a thousand ships in the Atlantic, dealing with what you wished away/.

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    Since they will remain offshore and struggle to bait clicks, let's talk about something else. Cape Cod was named for a fish whose populations crashed 1988 and thenceforth (cod are now being sea-farmed). I propose renaming it to Cape Extirpation.

    It's kinda like California having grizzly bear on state flag etc. Last one living in that state was shot in 1922.
     
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    we call it Cape Schrod, not sure what schrod is, but you can order it
     
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    Yeah that's a bait-and-switch flimflam thingamabob. Scrod is a deboned presentation of any whitefish. Haddock, or cod (if'n you can find one), pollack or hake. Maybe others that find themselves inside a net looking out.
     
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    Sea robins could be on the list now.
    Once read most of the fish 'n chips in the UK is dogfish.
     
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    In a few days, N Atlantic fishing boats may be leaving the scrod and lobsters alone for a while.

    H -> TS Lee will have a few days to unwind, but still carrying a lot of energy.

    Remember Fiona in Nova Scotia in 2022? Probably not that bad.
     
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    And Arctic ice will get a little thinner. Greenland could go either way.

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