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New app to Identify counterfeit wheel bearings

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    I just bought all new Timken bearings for my gen 2 Pri and noticed that they did not have the Koyo etched into the bearing face like every picture on every auto parts site shows. They also did not have a single number or brand name anywhere on the bearing itself.

    I started thinking they might be fakes so I went down the research rabbit hole for a few days and apparently Koyo's parent company bought the needle bearing division of Timken. Others had pointed out that every company has plants in China and other countries now and that it does not necessarily mean that they are poor quality or fakes they may be totally up to the spec of the manufacturer but they may not be stamped.

    There is an organization called the WBA (World Bearing Association) that has an app you can get at the app store that will identify if the product code is real or fake or one that may be real but has been scanned a bunch of times. Mine have checked out as having a valid code.

    Has anyone else Recently bought Timkens or other brands of bearings that arrived blank? Is this the new normal for post pandemic bearing manufacturing or are these bearings just fakes with legitimate codes? (n)
     
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    Toyota OEM vs Timken Rear Hub Bearings.jpg
    Fonts were identical and in same locations. Welds were close as well.
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    The legit Timkins were about $200 each. If you got a "deal", the price says it all.
     
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    My Toyota originals are at 300 plus thousand miles and they're not making a darn bit of noise I have some very nice looking maid fakes if you want to call them that they look very well made almost like these two pictures of the timkins above almost identical there are a few marks on the face I have to take a picture they are definitely Chinese made the advertisement says so they are extremely smooth and the bearing and the press fit and everything looks exactly like the Toyota factory and the timken I have some Yaris wheel bearings here from the factory and these things are supposed to take sitting right next to the yard is bearings look every bit as well made I have these sitting under the carport on a table so they must be coded with something because they haven't started to surface rust or anything in this high humidity or this past winter The Chinese manufacturer of the bearings that I bought relatively inexpensively says they're coated and the coating seems to be working. If I ever get these to fail and get to install them we'll see how it goes. I'm also waiting for my persona 2013 for this original bearings to fail We thought we had some noise a while ago turned out it wasn't the wheel bearings so we are anxiously waiting even the $700 2008 with $180,000 mi on it bearing seem to be flawless and the people who own this car or getting ripped off by the Toyota dealer every time they visited have piles of receipt for they tried to burn these people new ones every time they went It is really horrible reading.
     
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    Hey RJ what year were those pictures taken or are they from a site? I got the Timken HA590040 bearings and there is not a single mark anywhere on the bearing itself. The QR code checked out as legit Timken I paid $140 per bearing which seemed to be the norm across all the sites I checked.

    I can return them for up to 60 days for a full refund but I have no idea is this is the norm now or they are bogus or perhaps made in some Chinese factory to Timken specs. I think it's a little suspect that there are no markings whatsoever but perhaps that's normal for where they were made. They sure look like high quality bearings.
     
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    I am at about 250k miles on mine and I think it has the original bearings have not done the up close look yet. I use my Pri as a camper and go out for about a month driving around the country 8-9k miles per trip and thought I should replace them here rather than have them fail out on the road.

    I think 250k is a reasonable time to swap them out before they fail. If I were just using it around town I would wait but I feel like it's better to change then here in my garage rather than on the side of the road or at some weird garage that's why this fake bearing issue has me asking questions. (y)
     
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    Last year. Only one failed but I changed both rears. $140 is too cheap.
     
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    Not according to Amazon and everyone else selling that bearing. Maybe they are all fakes but it's a pretty elaborate scam. :confused:

     
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    Oh I've got real cheapies on a couple rears the rears are non-mission critical at all in my opinion anyway now I mean you know these things can be knocked out 25 minutes aside so you know I can change him once a week if need be not that I would want to but I'd get real good at it I'm sure doesn't take I'm in the southeast so I don't have all this road salting nonsense. But the last ones I bought for the Yaris oh my god they were $24 27 under 35 and haven't had a peep out of them and that car gets the crap beat out of it I'm telling you people drive that car at 90 miles an hour jumping in and out of traffic acting stupid children women You must be kidding looks like it's been in three wars takes a licking and keeps on ticking It took forever to wear out the factories 360,000 miles being driven by the same people I've been in the car maybe twice. But oh well you win some and you lose some I guess.
     
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    These are the current rear hubs for my Prius
     
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    Yes sir those are the ones
     
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    Rockauto cuts out middleman, orders direct from Timken and Timken ships the product with Rockauto labels. Its called drop shipping. I'm more inclined to order from Rockauto. Timken Rockauto price $146.

    2008 TOYOTA PRIUS 1.5L L4 ELECTRIC/GAS Wheel Bearing & Hub | RockAuto

    I don't buy parts 3rd party on Amazon, only if it is sold and shipped by Amazon.
     
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    My bearing at Rockauto which is about what I paid. IMG_2527.jpeg
     
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    I paid $120 for the fronts per bearing and $142 each for the rears. That was in line with the other online retailers for a Timken gen2 Prius bearing set. I still have to make some calls but the fact that there are no etchings or markings on any of the bearings themselves is leaning toward them being fakes. I will try SKF bearings next if I end up returning these but this entire process sucks. Mine checked out as far as the QR code but someone mentioned on another thread it's possible that someone could have bought them before me then bought cheap counterfeits switched the packaging out and returned for a refund then they were resold to me. :unsure:
     
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    The only problem with Rock Auto is that if it's again the wrong thing or counterfeit I have to pay return shipping to get a refund. :cautious:
     
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    Really so all this worriation is for exactly what never having to do this ever again in your life a 45-minute job or you're in the rust belt where it's going to take 4 days to beat the bearings out of their holders? I couldn't get my mind get the best of me over this before this was even a thing fake bearings and all this few years ago I had to replace a set on my Yaris and another Corolla at the time internet auto parts and things like that were you know maybe 10 12 years in I can't even remember the year one of the first years of the Yaris and I ordered cheap inexpensive bearings before all the hubbub got really started and everybody started living their life online and reviewing everything in the world those cheap bearings that I bought way back then are still on that yards today and working just fine and they were no brand that anybody would be proud to say they heard of I can't even remember I have some same bearings ready to go in my generation 3 made by the same company which I think today is out of business I'll try to take a picture of the etching on the face where the wheel studs stick through there's a name and there's a big black letters c h i n a and some reference numbers to cross reference to other bearing manufacturers I imagine like timken and the big makers but these bearings never gave us any trouble I did the rears on the yards and I used the same brand fronts on a generation 2 which was not mine but a customer's car. And those bearings are still on the car today like 14 years later working just fine. So if they're bad enough the bearings that I'm driving on and I have cheap ones laying here it's nothing to throw them on to stop the racket that I'm listening to right now if that comes back in 40,000 mi oh boy I mean you know it's not anything that's going to make me lose any sleep at night that's for sure It's not like changing an engine transmission or anything like that which we've done a few of those.
     
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    A derivative of Penny Wise and Pound Foolish

    If I had to change my hub every 40k I would have changed them seven or more times so far. As is, with the original Timkens/oem only one has failed in 285,000 miles. Even that one was just loud at 250k. Given its holding the wheel on with a few roller bearings, I go for quality when the howl says its time.
     
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    Good luck in your quest. Looks like your only avenue is direct from Timken to alleviate your paranoia.

    Rockauto price on TIMKEN HA590064 front bearings is $109.79USD, rears TIMKEN HA590040 $120.79USD
     
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    I am in the "Four days to beat out the bearings" zone. The car came from Colorado originally then spent some time in Michigan 1-2 years and now lives here in Ohio. I do not drive it in the winter and there is not a lot of rust underneath but I doubt this is one of those jobs where the bearings just jump out.

    I have nothing against items manufactured in China it's just when I pay for a brand I want to rest assured the items were manufactured to that brands quality and specs. Alas, this is not the case with this transaction.

    I just called Timken's automotive division and he did say that some bearings are made without markings. I am sending him pics of what I have and he is supposed to get back with me.

    I got under the car with the wire brush and it looks like the bearings are the originals from 2005. If I cannot establish absolute proof that these bearings are legit I am sending them back and will probably postpone getting new ones until next year.

    The whole purpose of this was preventive maintenance and piece of mind but I think I will feel way better sticking with my stock bearings until this mess gets sorted out. ;)
     

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    If its not broke don't fix it. I guess we should have asked why you were replacing them. By the way, is that a recent photo of yourself?
     
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    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean nobody is out to get me. :LOL: