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VW ID.Tiguan in the Works

Discussion in 'Volkswagen AG Hybrids and EVs' started by drash, Feb 17, 2023.

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    Volkswagen ID. Tiguan Electric Crossover Coming In 2026

    In addition to their gasser, a plug-in hybrid is due for the 2024 Tiguan. The article says a BEV riding on the upcoming MEB-Plus architecture will also appear, however, with an ID.3 and an ID.4 running around where will this fit in the line-up.
     
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    Maybe they are thinking of dropping the ID.{number} naming convention, and merging the the ICE and EV model brands. The article also talked of an ID Golf.
     
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    VM has previewed the 2024 Tiguan. Further details on the 2024 VW Tiguan:
    2024 VW Tiguan: Interior, Euro Powertrain Options And More Officially Revealed | Carscoops

    This will be released in Europe first with 5 different powertrains: 1.5 eTSI (mild hybrid) gas, 2.0 TSI gas, 2.0 TDI diesel, and 2 PHEV versions. The first PHEV will produce 201 HP (150 kW) but no specifications on EV Range. The second PHEV will produce 268 HP (200 kW) and a 18.5 kWh battery that will give it 100 km (62 miles) of range. It will off high AC Charging as well as DC Charging but no details on either.

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    It will be taller and longer than the current Tiguan:
    • Length: 4,551 mm (179.2 inches)
    • Width: 1,939 mm (76.3 inches)
    • Height: 1,640 mm (64.6 inches)
    • Wheelbase: 2,681 mm (105.5 inches)
    As far as length is concerned even the 2023 Prius is longer and only the Lexus UX and Toyota Corolla Cross is shorter in length among Toyota and Lexus SUVs. But it is wider than many Toyota or Lexus vehicles including the Lexus RX, bested only by the Toyota Sequoia, Sienna, and Grand Highlander.
     
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    I suppose it was inevitable but 4.5m/178” is now a “compact” vehicle. Even my 4.69m EV6 is considered a small station wagon by the EPA.
     
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    The official EPA sizes for actual cars is based on interior volumes of the passenger and cargo space. Not counting two seaters, there are five classes for sedans to the three for station wagons. The cut off for a small wagon is 130 cubic feet. Midsize to large sedan is 120. If there are any large wagons on the market, the manufacturer likely categorize it as a truck or van. The EPA uses weights for classification there, and why those listings on Fueleconomy.gov don't have passenger or cabin volume entries.

    Kia actually using station wagon for the EPA means they are counting the EV6 in cars for their CAFE rating, instead of trucks.

    https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacarhelp.shtml#epaSizeClass
     
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    I guess it’s because there’s a cargo area to contend with that sedans don’t.

    Works for me. It’s definitely more wagon than SUV imo.
     
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    The wagon size ranges were probably set in the land yacht era, and there hasn't much reason to revisit them. The manufacturer mostly picks which one to stick the car in. The 2013 Sonic hatchback was a sedan, and couple years later, it was a station wagon. The Prius is a sedan, even after losing the trunk. Many gave their wagons a bit of a lift so they can use the mpg numbers for their truck fleet rating.
    Most SUVs seem that way to me.
     
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    Without a Tesla charging port, no interest. The CCS standard prohibits adapters and VW opposes NACS. Furthermore, it does not qualify for IRA funds.

    Out of 10 decisions, VW got 11-12 wrong. Like Toyota, they don’t need me as a customer.

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    I believe all of Europe is CCS (or their version of it) so I can see reluctance among European car makers to switch to NACS. I'm sure VW opposes NACS since they're the main backers of Electrify America. I can see Kia and Hyundai dragging their feet as well even though they are considering the switch. How does SAE see it since they can endorse a standard and NACS really doesn't have one (yet according to the CCS Alliance)?
     
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    I don't believe NACS supports the speed that VW and Hyundai/Kia vehicles can charge.
     
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    VW tops out at 200kW (upcoming ID.7 big battery. Small battery is around 170kW). Current models run near 135kW (updated from the original 125kW at launch). ID.Buzz takes 155kW IIRC.

    So it's all within range. Technically SuC V3 does at 250kW but it achieves that with high current (600A+) vs. high voltage for HMG vehicles.
     
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    The Taycan has reported peak rates of 225 to 270 kW. It is the reason why Electrify America has 350kW chargers for HMG to use.;)
     
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    270kW is the peak I believe, yes.

    Well and EVGo too. I think Petro Canada up here is also 800V but not entirely sure. (There are 350kW PC stations). Everything else is 400V.

    I truly believe I'm in a charging bubble. Here, Electrify Canada works well and is reliable. Even out in Ontario, there are many complaints about the charging infrastructure (Both reliability and spatial availability). I have a network of reliable 50kW stations that I can fall back on if any of the 3rd party 150kW+ stations aren't working but so far, I haven't had to use it.
     
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    I'm not sure you're alone, or maybe bubbles are forming. I've had an issue exactly once with EA, and that was because the entire station was being upgraded. When that happened, I drove another 10 mins to a 50kW station.

    I'm less than enthused about using a 'standard' that isn't. Although NACS may win the race here in NA, I think we'll all be worse off in the end.
     
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    I’m sure there are pockets but naturally when things don’t work, the voices tend to be louder than when everything works according to plan. I did a road trip across the province initially the Rockies and I haven’t gotten around to doing a write up because it went fairly well. Sure there were a few hiccups and one EC charger was running on low power (70-90kW) but it was free as a result and it was at the end of the day so I wasn’t too worried about it.
     
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