Ford & GM adopt the Tesla Supercharger network standard (NACS).

Aptera prototypes were using NACS. If production happens, those will likely have it too.

Toyota? If they are still focused more on China, they won't join NACS until not doing so is big disadvantage. Having access to more chargers will also be blunted if they stick to their current charge rates. Then it's possible Tesla can have minimum charging performance criteria to ease congestion at chargers.

With Honda's upcoming EVs being GM based, they might have NACS.

 

A Tesla owner, I was initially worried that these a charging network my higher purchase price had paid for was going to be diluted by charging stall hogs. Too many of these Fords and GMs have charging ports placed where the block at least two cha rging stalls. But I'm more accepting today.

The newer Tesla V4 chargers have a longer cable and built-in adapter. Better charging stall designs that have 'deeper' lanes makes my access better as I've had at least two occasions where to wheel curbs in the lane almost kept my car from being charged. Furthermore, it is an 'in your face' advertisement of Tesla products that even the most rabid anti-Elon owners can't ignore. Then Tesla plugs are great for smaller statue people who are often female.

I've used the overly expensive, under reliable, and heavy CCS-1 plugs before and they are not fun. So getting a better engineered charging network makes a lot of sense for everyone.

Tesla does not have to make every 'style' of EV so let the smart ones use the Tesla solution. It will be better for everyone in the long run.

Bob Wilson

 

i thought he was asking about real cars, not hypothetical ones that have been stuck in R&D/ 1st article purgatory for over a decade.

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Sandy Munro and Ford interview:

An hour long, if you like CCS-1 and/or hate Elon, stop at 35 minutes.

Bob Wilson

 

The first Aptera company ended in 2011. I remember they had to destroy the prototypes back then. The founders got back together and started a new company, Aptera Motors, in 2019. It might be a continuous 10 years.

 

IMHO I see similarities between this merger to Charging connector to the USB C standardization................and a stretch to what the PGA and LIV Golf merger......interesting business decisions.....hopefully with the consumer in mind. (and obviously money is first)

 

Sandy’s wife loves her Rivian but won’t drive it on a trip. They a Tesla for cross country driving.

Bob Wilson

 

And now GM !!

What is required for the switch to occur? Is it an adapter, software for the car, an app, hardware ???? Interested in what happens to all the current cars out there who aren't on the Tesla charges now.

 

Here is what the fuss is about:

• CCS-1 - 350 kW DC
• J1772 - 9.6 kW AC
• SuperCharger - 250 kW DC
• Tesla portable - 9.6 kW AC

Bob Wilson

 

I noticed our 3yr old 401k conversion into $20K of roth Tesla stock jumped upward at the notification Ford & GM are on board with the Tesla charging format. No complaints here

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With GM and Ford embracing Tesla's EV charging technology, here's what it means for consumers | AP News
With GM and Ford embracing Tesla’s EV charging technology, here’s what it means for consumers

 

All we need now is vw - toyota & whatever chrysler jeep dodge etc is called (stelantis?)
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they're almost forced to join now as cities/states/feds require it more and more. there won't be any public chargers for them otherwise

 

I am anxious to see more of Mercedes EV’s. We looked at a 5 seater and it has a definite luxury feel to it. Very nice indeed. The largest trouble with Tesla is that for 7 seats you need to go Model X and for the price tag… it was simpler to go to a gasser GL550 with 15K miles on it for $37k. $50k will buy a LOT of Gas…oh and a used M3 for me. and with the adoption of the Tesla connector I’m planning on installing a L2 charger in my house and just leaving it when we sell. Future owners would appreciate it.

 

You can get a Model Y with 7 seats. No idea how functional the two back rows would be. I vaguely recall seeing a special promotion on the 7 seat version.