Does anyone know how much a full battery replacement for the Prius prime would cost ?

Good question. Many people aren't aware of the difference. The meter readings are from the L2 charger. So less overhead than the L1 I use at work, which I don't meter.

 

not sure how this thread got passed me a year ago or what the current policy is about posting to old threads.Since I'm interested in just how much the Prius Prime (first gen) packs cost and Elektroingenieur s' link to the diagram in post #7 didn't work for me, I started searching again and I found a May 2023 price for the can (all five modules in the case at toyota parts deal using Elektroingenieur generously provided part #
Toyota G9510-47091 BATTERY ASSY, HV SUP - $10147.40 + ship ... in case this link also goes bad in the future.
https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~battery_assy_hv_sup~g9510-47091.html

I thought I read one post above asking if the PiP battery blocks could be used in the Prime or vise versa.
Like most everything else automotive thiese days, not many parts are interchangeable (without modification) any longer. anyone can read the specs for the battery for both PiP and Prime
here at the wiki page
in a nutshell
PiP 4.4 kwh - 4 banks - 2.2kw charge
Prime 8.8 kwh - 5 banks - 3.3kw charge - 351 volts nominal

 

can you replace the banks individually for 2k a piece?

 

This makes me wonder if buying a used PP in the future would be a bad idea. Right now both of my cars have over 10 years and 150,000 miles on them. When something goes I'll have to either pay for it or junk the car. And right now I don't think I could afford a new car. But a used car that might also end up being unfixable junk in a couple years is also not a great option.

 

How is your Prime’s battery holding out, 6 or so years in?

 

Mine at 23,000 miles and two and a half years has zero capacity and BEV-range loss. I get 38 miles on the GOM. However, I baby it a lot: always Level 1 charging, always charge scheduling, never leave it with high SOC, never drive over 57 mph in the EV mode, never brake hard or accelerate hard, etc.

 

So I found this replacement Hybrid pack for $2200.00 for the Prius Prime

2016 - 2021 Toyota Prius Prime Hybrid Battery

 

I think that was one of the reasons for building the traction pack in banks. Guessing the entire pack doesn't even need to be removed from the car to replace a bank of cells.

 

Someone already complained about not being able to use the link I posted above .
here ya go ....

 

How many who change out just one bank actually get a decent amount of miles off of the rest of the battery?

Sorry for being pessimistic, but it just seems to me that if one bank, module or cell is shot then the rest of the battery is likely close to that same situation.

 

Couple things. First, I don’t think anyone has had to do it yet.
Secondly, it would just depend on the condition of the rest of the pack.
The older it is,the more likely you will have to replace others.
Primes aren’t old enough yet. Even pip packs aren’t being replaced yet

 

I see this battery for my Prime 2020. I would pay that after 15 years if car is still good. It says fits 2019 and up. Searching for 2017 it says discontinued. True or not or this one also fits the 17-18 I don’t know.
I see they have the gen 2 battery for about $1800. Don’t know if it’s true if you order one you will get it, a new battery, for that.
The 47091 above looks like it’s for the 12-15 plug in and it’s also $9980 at this dealer. I would say it’s excellent if Toyota does supply all these batteries for past cars. Even the Gen 1.

https://parts.longotoyota.com/oem-parts/toyota-battery-assembly-g951047180?c=Zz1oeWJyaWQtY29tcG9uZW50cyZzPWJhdHRlcnkmbD02Jm49QXNzZW1ibGllcyBQYWdlJmE9dG95b3RhJm89cHJpdXMtcHJpbWUmeT0yMDIwJnQ9bGltaXRlZCZlPTEtOGwtbDQtZWxlY3RyaWMtZ2Fz

 

I have never got 38 miles on the GOM. When it was new in 2017 I would get 29-30 in the summer and 24-25 in the winter. Six years and 25,000 miles it is still the same. I think I still have 90% or more of the original capacity. I always use Level 1 charging; plug it in when I get home and unplug it the next morning. May leave it at a high SOC for a day or two until I use it again. I often drive 70 mph in the EV mode and brake or accelerate as the situation calls for. I don't think the car needs to be babied.

 

I've got no complaints about the car presently. I have to watch the brakes more than I'd like to have to, but not a big deal anymore as they've been mostly recovered from the bad and ugly condition I found the fronts in at 36K miles.

I keep a close eye on the traction pack voltages internal resistance and temps are reported in DrPrius and some other sensors in Car Scanner too, (thanks @john1701a .

I see almost a volt more at 100% soc these days after full charge, ( doesn't matter if the charge is Level 1 or 2 ), I watch the internal resistance closely as it bounces around a lot depending on (again variables like low temps, how aggressively EV gets used, and how much EV range gets used. )

I'm not the only driver either, which can be frustrating sometimes, but I swear the car seems to know and adjust to my driving style really quickly, even if I don't always completely understand why it's behaving one way or another. 5 years, 80k and I'm still learning new ways of working the available options.

My EV range dropped to a low of 20 miles last winter and I'm not all that gunho as I used to be about getting the EV range back into the mid 30's as I was when the car was newer. When the night temps actually stay above 60 F for at least a week, I'll probably start working on EV range recovery from it's current 25.1 miles.,,,
and thanks for asking

 

Lets try to revisit this thread when a PP outside of warranty, requires a battery replacement.

I think that will be a ways off. Also, seek out a hybrid specialist and see if they can recondition the pack and replace only what's needed. By the time we need to replace PP batteries, that should be easier to do/find.

Oh and we've got our GOM up to 35-37 miles recently - non-hwy use makes a big difference.

 

going more EV miles than the cars estimate, is always fun, though when the estimate is in the mid 30s to low 40s, it typically takes vigorous route planning. practice and lots of patience, not to mention as little traffic and humanly possible. Maintaining an estimate in the low 30's through a winter with the car will prepare it for some extra interesting behavior come the next spring and summer.
Our Primes lifetime MPG is at 117. down for 133 a few years ago.

I think I've figured out a fairly bulletproof way to prove EV miles driven in a picture, if you don't include photoshopping into the sequence. A pic of the current trip from the odometer, with the MID's Drive Monitor showing After Start and the dash clock included.


I wish I'd figured out these three parts of the dash gauges years ago.

 

Google shows a new Prius Prime Battery ranging from $10,262 and $10,335, with labor charges ranging from $282 to $355, which totals about 1/3 the total new cost of the car. Refurbished EV packs are about 1/10th the price of a new battery pack, although in my experience, we get what we pay for. I'm curious if anyone has purchased a refurb'ed EV battery for their Prius Prime and if so, how it is working for you?

 

i don't recall reading that anyone has, and unless you're racking up a lot of miles, it is still under warranty.
but these batteries last a long time. in most cases, the car wears out before the battery

 

You're right.

By contrast I recently replaced my 85 kWh HV battery in my Tesla 2012 Model S P85. Base battery was $17k. Labor and taxes close to $20k.

SR-71's approx $10k for PP battery for 1/10th the size of my Tesla's is non proportional but I suspect a small, small, small number of PP batteries have needed replacement. Supply and demand.

 

Refurbished packs out of wrecks, since current pack are still under CARB state OEM warranty. It would be interesting to see how long one of those packs would last, since sudden aggressive jolts and heat are the main enemies to a battery.