Featured Toyota Says Public Charging Not Ready For Pure EVs

The key takeaway, now still as it was 2 years with the origin of that document, is the word "wordspread". Enthusiast like to acknowledge that reality of ownership simplicity being so rare. For the majority, we're stuck in the PHEV paradigm.

 

^ agreed, the unspoken term is that while there may be enough public charging to handle the odd Leaf + all the luxury EVs, there aren't enough to support say... another 5,200 EVs sold each and every day...

...the sort of numbers Toyota is used to selling.

Toyota wants to be able to sell to more than just homeowners whose homes include powered parking.

 

I am really curious about this all-or-nothing position.
Most everyone would agree the infrastructure is not ready for 100% BEVs worldwide. And no one is claiming that needs to be done today.
But come on Toyota, just start building enough to meet the current demand. I am sure a lot more people would like a BEV option from Toyota.

 

I think a lot more people would like to actually buy a PHEV from Toyota.

 

Who made you think such a position was being taken?

From Toyota, we have been told for years BEV production would be limited & expensive. That is why the message of diversity was repeated so often. For absolutes, look to other automakers.

 

A PHEV Camry at a non-stupid price would see my 2020 Mazda 6 traded in post-haste.

...and I love my Mazda.

 

I don't understand why Toyota keeps whining and complaining about this.

Other manufacturers are actually doing something. GM is partnering with FLO to roll out chargers in Urban areas, and this is actually underway and it's been a success. Mercedes is doing something similar with chargepoint. Volkswagen is in the Electrify America penalty box, but that still counts! Ford, Kia / Hyundai are rolling out publicly available fast chargers at their dealerships.

Meanwhile, Toyota won't commit to doing anything except whining about how many phevs they could have sold if they had bothered to secure supply chain.

 

It's so dishonest for Toyota to constantly make anti-EV arguments for their own greedy exploitive reasons. Toyota wouldn't care about vehicle weight or charging locations if all electric cars were forced to use their near proprietary NiMH chemistry... But because all the EVs are lithium-based, which Toyota has way less control of the market they sit around making up excuses about how concerned they are about how "the world isn't ready" amid the "lack of charging infrastructure to support EVs."

And how many campaign donations did Toyota lobbyists make to terrorist-like GOP house members so they would hold the country hostage over the debt ceiling until all subsidies for alternative energy were canceled...

 

Kinda ironic that they say we aren't ready for what all the other automakers are building in EV's but when it comes to their hydrogen fuel cell vehicles that lacked re-powering infrastructure way more than EVs they had no problem claiming that this was the best path forward.

Yet again, Toyota pushes whatever maximizes profits regardless of what we're ready for. They supported Fuel Cells over EV because they had enough patents and proprietary control of hydrogen fuel cells, not Lithium-based systems and they failed hugely because "the world wasn't ready" for colluding with the oil industry to turn fossil fuels into hydrogen. Lol...

At this point they're so pathetic in their dishonesty that they're almost accidentally being transparent.

 

this is all about toyota trying to dissuade governments from offering bev incentives, driving bev sales and sending toyota farther behind the honorable competition, making catch up more and more difficult as time runs out

 

And how many of the extremist house Republicans have they donated to for their willingness to not approve the debt ceiling unless all alternative energy subsidies are rescinded?

 

Where is your proof of that? From what I've seen, the effort is work to make the legislation better... not to prevent it.

Anyone with a brain can see how poorly some bills are written. It would be quite naive to assume they are really they don't have shortcomings someone should be calling out.

 

Perhaps from people such as Toyota Execs??

Toyota says it's too early for electric car transition | The Canberra Times | Canberra, ACT

Or at Toyota annual shareholder meeting?

Toyota claims it’s too early to focus only on EVs (greencarreports.com)

Or perhaps their lead researcher?

Toyota Says The World Is 'Decades' Away From Supporting An All-EV Market (msn.com)

Toyota has been holding this line for years. The ONLY reason the BZ.. is available to a few, is because China basically forced their hand.

I was hoping to see this red herring fallacy stop when the new CEO took over.

(bold added by me)

 

Just for a reality check...

How many new public chargers are opening up each day in the USA?

Is that number still under 1000?

 

Funny thing is when people in online forums ask for "proof" that something is true they almost always reject the proof before they even read it. As in the argument doesn't have anything to do with having an open mind, just more denial and obstruction. But just to give you a chance to appear to be reasonable, here's some proof:

Toyota was the top corporate contributor to GOP legislators who supported the Jan 6th attempted overthrow of the government: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/06/28/toyota-election-insurrection-republicans-congress-donationss/5370309001/

What's more Toyota is currently giving donations to the radical fringe GOP members of the house who are refusing to vote for the debt ceiling unless all EV and alternative energy subsidies that were passed into law last year are rescinded.

Toyota is also the only company that is not an oil company lobbying against restriction on carbon emissions: Toyota joins oil giants among most resistant companies in 2022 on climate policy - Business News

 

Hold on, the lolercoaster is in full effect here.

Have there ever been 1,000 public gas pumps rolled out in a day in the USA? I mean, that's a lot of gas pumps, right?

Here we have the FLO rollout:

https://www.flo.com/press-release/flo-to-supply-gms-dealer-community-charging-program-and-help-automaker-expand-public-charging-locations-in-communities-across-north-america/

40,000 by 2027.

Here you can see what everyone else is doing:

U.S. public EV chargers standardized; tax credit changes

Boy, Toyota is just... totally absent. It's almost like they're not ready to pivot to EVs and don't have a product to sell.

 

Nobody demanded such a sudden adoption into gasoline as an energy source. Growth occurred much more naturally.

I don't seriously think anyone is going to build 1000 chargers a day, at least not for a while.

But I think it's weird to say it's okay to hit a mere 40,000 public chargers by 2027 and then say it's not okay to only turn out a limited number of BEVs in the same time frame.

Toyota alone appears to be selling 2 million cars per year in the USA.

Obviously not every car owner needs public charging access, and obviously each charger can support several cars, though there will be contention for access during convenient hours.

So how do you charge even 200k cars on 40k chargers?

 

Here's a couple of references that demonstrates massive growth in EV charging stations and that Toyota's claims are entirely false:

"In 2009, there were 245 new electric vehicle (EV) charging outlets installed nationwide, but by 2019 that number had risen to more than 20,000 new installations. From 2017 to 2019, about 5,000 new charging outlets were installed each year." FOTW# 1174, February 22, 2021: Over 20,000 New Electric Vehicle Charging Outlets Were Installed in the United States in 2019 | Department of Energy

"There are over 130,000 public charging stations across the country, according to the White House. America is going electric. With sales increasing by 65% in 2022, electric vehicles are moving from an outlier in the auto industry to the wave of the future." https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/how-many-ev-charging-stations-are-there-in-the-us/