Total greedy sleazebag dealer, lol

OMG! You're in my town! And yes, they are not generous, to say the least... lol.

Go to Hutchinson for a different kind of experience.

 

That isn't capitalism, it is the specific dealer. Some Dealers don't mark it up, and then there are companies that don't even have Dealers.
Hunt around, you will find a better deal.

 

What's crazy is, it IS capitalism. And so is OUR job to keep the market competitive by doing exactly what you just said, look around.

I do understand what they are doing. If they didn't mark up these vehicles, the public would just buy them and flip. They have a right to ask whatever they want and we have the right to wait, shop, or buy.

 

I'd be pissed if they do not include a few dealer installed accessories for that price, like 10 side moldings on each door.

 

Unfortunately, Toyota had no clue how to market Scion. The XB was an accidental hit. The second generation was totally lame, not true to what appealed to people, while Kia stole the concept with the Soul. Then Toyota didn't invest in the brand and it faded away.

 

Scion was suppose to be a 'youth brand'. Except the youth that wanted a Toyota were fine with a used model for less, and Scions were bought by non-youths that wanted to avoid the normal dealership experience or just liked the Scion models better than the Toyotas. I test drove an xA because Toyota didn't sell an Echo hatchback in the US. Or because the Scions had better colors.

Scion was suppose to expand the Toyota consumer base, and it didn't do that.

 

Do you have to have it? If not, one word: wait.

 

Out of all cars that I have owned, the 2006 Scion XB was my favorite all around car.

 

Wow, that is insane! My local Colorado Dealership has had very few new vehicles on the lot the past few years but, today, it seems like their website folks have started something new....adding cars to the inventory even though they are not, really, for sale but purchased even before arriving.
According to their website, they have 128 new vehicles! Yippee...jump in the car, Martha, let's go look!
But, hold on...when you click on the models 73 (57%) have "Sale Pending" on them....GRRR (And almost all of those that don't aren't hybrid or even below $50,000.)
Their are two Corolla Crowns, though, both Supersonic Red, that I'd like to see....a Platinum for $55K and a Limited for $48K.
Reports are that with higher interest rates and a lousy economy, new car inventories are increasing so, hopefully, new car buyers will, once again, be able to negotiate selling prices. (But never pay over MSRP EVER, unless you have no other options and always try to negotiate, even if they say they don't negotiate....a sale with a smaller commission is better than NO sale...so remind them of that!)

 

I’ve seen dealers marking up cars with their added invoice for decades. Honda especially was always many thousands over. Ignore and make the offer you like. They make the offer they like. There are people who don’t negotiate and are trusting and the dealer wants that. Unscrupulous for sure but then look at all the other scams, car repair, homes, nothing really new about it. Someone said they traded their 22 for a 23 for 2600, that was a fantastic deal.

 

We would need the details of the financing to determine whether or not the 22-23 trade was indeed, fantastic. The devil is absolutely in the details lol.

For example, if the equity in the 22 was "disappeared", into the new 23's loan,... that would not be fantastic.

I literally traded in my 2019 for the price I paid for it and bought the 2023 for MSRP + a few silly dealer addons and a paint penalty for the white. This means I drove the 2019 for 3.5 yrs. for free. Crazy, crazy times...

I have a TON of equity in the 2019 as well due to the inflation of its trade-in value. Essentially I'm paying down 50% of the price of the 2023, walking out with a newer, sexier Prius, and ending up with a lower car payment. Good times!

Now for those who don't have a trade-in, it is bad times.

 

Indeed, this is almost twice of my highest new car payment!

$716

Car payment statistics
The average monthly car payment for new cars is $716. The average monthly car payment for used cars is $526. 39.5 percent of vehicles financed in the fourth quarter of 2022 were new vehicles. 60.5 of percent of vehicles financed in the fourth quarter of 2022 were used vehicles.

Apr 26, 2023

 

That was exactly the color and all the options I wanted but I was told that I might have to wait a year or longer for the Solar Panel to be added.

 

Brutal!

 

I see two conflicting prices. When an item has multiple conflicting price labels, doesn't that mean the customer has the choice to pay the lower one?



At least, that is how it works in most non-negotiating retail shops I go to.

 

might be a state consumer protection law

 

It's weird for the $10K to be just penciled in, some kind of dodge?