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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Kimist, Apr 10, 2023.

  1. Kimist

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    I have posted about this prius before, on this thread. Well we drove it the 30 minutes home on the highway, managed to get it to 70mph comfortably, and the battery meter on the energy screen stayed green the whole time. We didn't notice anything mechanically wrong, except for maybe a bit of engine rumble. It was rhythmic like in time with something rotating. I am not a mechanic so I don't know how normal that is for the age/milage. I did take some pictures of the lights on, however, that I'm adding here.
    So we took it to a parts shop that has a code reader and they found... nothing. Guy said maybe their meter is incompatible with a hybrid, not sure how true that is. I have scheduled an appointment with a dealer for 4/12/23 where they can hopefully tell me more.
    In the meantime I'm hoping y'all can help me out! First of all, I don't know what some of these lights mean. Second, I'm fully prepared for the dealer to tell me the cell batteries are needing replacing, and once they said something is wrong with the electrical part that tells us the information (like the gas gage's actual reading, because it says full but only has a few gallons in it). But how much else should I prep for and what is necessary? We're limited on funds to fix the car up, so have to prioritize. My goal is to make it driveable for errands mainly. I'm a stay at home mom so don't need a vehicle, just something to get groceries and go to appointments.

    Lights that are on: Red triangle, check engine, VSC and two circles with exclamation points that I think are for tires? There is also a red car with exclamation point on the display where the battery information is.
    (please excuse the dirtiness in the pictures, it has sat unused for a good year or two and in need of desperate cleaning) check engine lights.jpg battery screen.jpg

    edit: forgot to mention the engine cooling fan in the backseat was on the whole time, at a steady pace that wasn't any louder than a normal AC at mid power.
     
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    Your lights from left to right are: the master warning light (triangle), the electronically-controlled braking (ECB) light, the vehicle stability control light, the check-engine light, and the tire pressure warning light.

    Yes, it's quite common for a parts shop to have a code reader that won't get the codes from your Prius.

    You don't need any special tool to find out the codes behind the ECB and VSC and tire lights. You can use this method and those lights will blink their codes out at you:

    Blink (a/k/a Flash) Codes – How to. | PriusChat

    Regrettably, that won't work to find the codes behind the master warning triangle. Plus, it's entirely possible the only ECB code you have is 58 and the only VSC code you have is 51, and both of those just mean "hey, don't ask us, go get the codes behind the master warning triangle". It's still worth checking in case you do have any other codes there, but it's possible those will be the only ones.

    So you really will need a way to get those other codes. The dealer can do that, of course, and so can you with some of the options described here:

    Gen2 OBD2 app review | PriusChat

    The fan in the back seat cools the traction battery, not the engine.
     
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    Thanks for the info! My father in law previously owned the Prius and told me the fan was for the engine. But he is also not a mechanic (just a really book smart guy) so at this point I'm just taking what he says with a grain of salt.
    I was just reading that OBD2 thread and noticed the Autel MaxiAp AP200. I can pick one up from Amazon for $60-70 and have it arrive in two days, and the dealer wants $75 for a full diagnostic (that goes towards repairs). Would it be worth getting a reader or just go ahead with the dealer's scan? I'm still looking the thread over to see what newer things are out there, but that one stuck out to me as something I could easily use.
     
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    I called my dad, who used to do all the work on his vehicles before he got too old (and cars got too labor-intensive), and went ahead and ordered a OBD2 reader. So hopefully sometime tomorrow I will have codes and the mystery of "what is wrong with the prius" will be solved!
     
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    More than likely it's battery time HV battery time You can play the whack-a-mole game or you can get a rack of modules either way it looks like that's probably the tree you'll be barking up We will see If it were here with me and mine I would have already lifted up the plastic tray and had the cover up off the battery to look at the nuts the bus bars and the general condition probably would have done it a while ago just one of those things I want to know. So depending upon where you are will determine what happens probably
     
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    Hi I’m having the same issues with my 07 and was wondering if you ever figured out the problem or got it fixed?
     
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    What problem You may want to start a new thread. Post a picture up of your display or describe what's on your display the red triangle traction control orange light etc etc.
     
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    Hopefully Kimist will report back. Judgeing from her ODO reading 240K and having the car sit for awhile.....its age....Hybrid battery time. Or maybe the invertor pump just died. $175 fix DIY better than a Hybrid Battery. $2,000k
     
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    Sorry about the delay in responding. I ended up buying an OBD2 reader and pulled the codes myself. It's the hybrid battery. It said it was cell 8, I believe, but recently a new code popped up that's just overall battery deterioration. My father in law, who has owned it for 10+ years (I'm not sure if he bought it used) says he never replaced the battery on the prius. So we're saving up to replace the battery, since that's cheaper than a new car, and have put it in storage until then.
     
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    It's definitely the battery. I've gotten some quotes for $1200-1500 self install so we are going to go that route.
     
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    If that is for a secondhand battery of some kind, I strongly recommend not going that route. Expect that to last not much more than two years. Even if you pay for a warranty, you'd have to be comfortable with the inconvenience of ongoing breakdowns and warranty replacements. That is until they weasel out or ghost you.

    Save up another $400 and get a factory new battery that you can self-install. At worst, you might have to pay the full MSRP of $1950. FYI the dealers' wholesale is around $1600 and the best price seen from an online dealer is $1620. (You buy online and pick it up from the parts counter). Just be aware that you will have to visit your chosen dealer twice – once to pick up the new battery and then again to return the old battery and get your core refund of $1350 – so make sure that the dealer is close enough to do that.

    Anyway, with a bit of delayed gratification, you will be happier in the long run because you will not have to think about the battery again for ten or more years and you will have a much more reliable and economical car.
     
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    I believe that price was for an OEM battery from a local dealer, but I don't recall seeing if it was refurbished or not. My search and calling around has been put on hold because my husband had a work injury that is putting a strain on our savings, and since he can't work/drive I have 24/7 access to our main vehicle. So I don't have to fix the prius right away. My memory of what I was getting quoted for is a bit off I'm sure.
    If the difference is a few hundred, then yes we plan on going with brand new. But to be honest we aren't too concerned about longevity. I have this prius because it was rusting in my father in law's yard, and a deer totaled my reliable corolla. 2-3 years is all we want out of it, really. It's seen better days.
     
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    Genuine Toyota dealer do not do refurbished, so if you truly were quoted $1200 (seen that price once before), then you should jump on that.
    Fair enough. Given the above pricing (if true) though, you could always remove the battery when you're done with the car and sell it for $1200 in two years or reuse in a newer Gen 2 (buy for cheap with a bad battery). So you've got options.
     
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    I may have got my numbers in my head mixed up and the $1200 was for an off brand/refurbished after the core return. I think the dealer was about $1600.
    Either way, $400 more for peace of mind is worth it to me (and resale value would be higher). Before losing my corolla I was hoping to trade it in for a compact SUV, so I might end up falling in love with doing diy on this prius (and not having a monthly car payment).
     
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    Wow. $1600 for new oem from a dealer? I would jump on that right away... OTD at my local Olathe Dealership they want $2165 . And I had to talk there heads off to allow me to buy a battery. Oh with a $1200 core charge....which will get back but its a float for awhile. Sorry to head bout your husband's injury. If you store your Prius for awhile I would fill it with 91 octane. Just to be safe. And watch out for mice,rat. You can put peppermint oil mixed with water and spray it on everything but the MAF and electrical cables under the hood. Or simply put sticky traps under the hood and around the car.
     
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    Thanks for the advice! The dealer that actually inspected it a year or two ago quoted ~$2000, not sure if that included labor. But we are an hour away from Atlanta, which started this hybrid/electric program 2 years ago, so maybe that's why the dealers around there are quoting a little better right now.
    Yeah we are looking to store it for a few months for now. I'm not sure if we would have a mouse problem (we have snakes in the yard) but I did once have one turn my corolla's air filter into a nest so I know that's a pain in the rear.
     
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    Thanks for sharing!