This link ( towards the bottom of the web page) has a real world Prius Prime 70 mph range test - to Segway back to the 2023 Prius. 39 miles. .
Canada being a relatively small market in north america , canada's dollar being below Us dollars does not incline manufacturers to rush entry level e-cars over here . Québec is trying to reach 80% of new cars sold by 2030 being electric. Having 2.5% of the north american market , I think it will not happen.
They are silent here because in the USA (I cannot comment for other markets) "people" are all led to believe that they need huge SUVs, crossovers and trucks that do 20mpg or less. If the gas prices go up and people start feeling the crunch, it is "Biden's fault", not their poor choices. As much as there are those who do need vehicles of a specific shape and size, most are driven by single drivers commuting to work or going to the mall or picking up the kids at school. Or whatever else, which is usually not what the vehicle is made for and would justify the fuel consumption and the CO2 emissions. Even when used for commercial activities, they are often oversized and clunky. The rest of the planet uses smaller and more efficient vehicles and do just fine. (If they were not all diesel, better). And guess what - Tesla is essentially selling "cars" - the same shape in slightly different sizes. (to me they all look the same, apart, maybe, the S). But cars. And who is selling EVs like butter? A CAR manufacturer called Tesla. And the rest are selling 20mpg ICE vehicles to "people" who think they are going off-roading every single day, or need to haul their whole house every day. "cars" available in the US market very few and far between.
For SUVs and EVs, subtlety is out and plundering nature is in | TechCrunch "Or take the Honda Pilot and Passport in TrailSport trim. Neither of those made their debuts in New York, but the cars are onstage to entice buyers who demand a bit more ruggedness (or the appearance of it). Only one of those, the Pilot, gets a lifted suspension; Car and Driver calls these packages “mostly theater.”"
Toyota Prius review: EV reality check https://www.theverge.com/23691342/toyota-prius-2023-review-hybrid-specs-photos-price
I was told that if I purchased the Prime and used it primarily as a hybrid until more chargers were accessible (I live in apartment complex) gas mileage would be lower than Prius due to heavy electric battery. Is this not true? My Prius AWD is in the build stage of allocation. : } Prius FWD almost impossible to find in New England. Thanks
The Prime version “may” have slightly better mpg (than comparable reg Prius) when driven as a regular hybrid, due to its greater battery capacity; its programming may be different.
Going by the mpg figures released so far, that's true. the Prime isn't up on Fueleconomy.gov yet. They were both close though. Close enough that depending on your route and driving, you could do better with the Prime. If you couldn't charge the car somewhat regularly for years, I'd be more concerned with the PHEV's battery health than fuel economy. Hybrid use without charging will have the charge level below the recommended storage level for Li-ion for extended periods. If you did get the Prime to use with future public chargers, use Charge Mode occasionally until then. That was true with the gen4 Prime. The battery capacity of the gen5 appears to have gone past the point of helping over the hybrid's battery size, and now the additional weight is hurting things.
One would imagine that Toyota plans for this? In the old Prime, the recommended SOC for leaving the car parked is actually just as it switches from EV to HV mode.
A lot of pips were purchased in California for hov stickers and never plugged in. I’ve never read about any problems
I have the older Prius Prime, from 2017. The "heavy electric battery" is not like the 1500 pound batteries in some BEV SUVs. The one in the Prime is less than 180 lbs. As mentioned below, the design of the Prime allows it to recapture braking energy more efficiently and that energy is used to help propel the car. That increases the overall MPG in normal driving. The Prius Prime comes with a charging cord that can be plugged into the ordinary 120V, 15 amp outlet that is available everywhere. The AWD is rated to have lower MPG (just a few mpg less), but it's probably worth it if you spend your time driving in the snow.
Unlike other plug ins, the PP owner doesn't have the means of charging to a point besides full within the car controls. Hybrid level is much better than full if the car is being left out in a desert parking lot for couple weeks. Besides, the impression I got from that entry was that Toyota was talking about an extended parking; a week to a couple of months. I was addressing using the car as just a hybrid for years without charging. The relation between depth of discharge and battery health is one of ratios, with the closer to full discharge being worse. Hybrid operation, with the bottom buffer, is around the last 1kWh of the pack. In the PiP, that's about a 77% discharge. The gen4 Prime will be about 88%, and the gen5 at 93%. Li-ion is leagues better than lead-acid when it comes to degradation from depth of discharge. I wouldn't give it a second thought in a phone, but we are talking about paying thousands more for the PHEV without being able to charge it for possibly years. Just saying if the decision was to go with the PHEV in that case, charging the car irregularly should take more mental energy than worrying about maybe burning more gas than the hybrid.
Yes…I guess I’m just annoyed I don’t have a place at home to plug it in otherwise $3000 to have the best of both worlds isn’t a huge difference. I know why I’m agonizing…I’m trying to avoid that dreaded feeling of regret if my circumstances change. I’m not in the position to trade in a 2023 Prius for a Prime in a few years like some folks are. I’m laughing at myself every time I see a red Prius/Prime pop up on YouTube. Looks so nice! I had a red Jetta and promised myself I would never get another red car. : }
