Can you jump the HV battery?

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  1. Priipriii

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    Obviously not with a 12V battery, but with a wall socket? If so, does anyone know of a cheap volt/amp controller? I really do not want to charge each cell individually again and have to balance them all.

    Prius left me stranded due to the death rattle, and engine stopped charging the EV. Got check EV batteries since they became low. I think i used up all the juice because now i cannot roll over the engine into starting at all. Before i could but it would shut itself a second after. Had to tow it home.

    The 12v battery is fine, but it doesnt go in ready mode. Only park or neutral.
     
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    Sorry but that really wasn't a good idea the FIRST time.
    But I get tired of telling people the truth about "fixing" a worn out battery.

    NO, the weak cells will cause the entire pack to not charge properly.
    That is what the car is trying to tell you......and it wouldn't work any better if you tried to use an external source.
    AND it would be dangerous to boot.

    Forget about it, please.
     
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    First thing I would do is scan the hv battery voltages and state of charge. Plus verify the 125a fusible link inside the engine fuse box is good.

    The first can be done with a $35 Bluetooth adapter and Car Scanner or the Dr Prius app. The second can be visually inspected or checked with a meter.

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    * 125a fuse visible from top.jpg
     
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    Ignore Sam Spade... Yes you can charge and balance your HV battery with a high voltage DC trickle charger. Your wall outlet won't work because it's AC not DC.

    Maxx Volts & Hybrid Automotive sell an overpriced product that trickle charges, or you can build one yourself for $100 here: Build Hybrid Battery Maintenance Gear For Under $100 | PriusChat

    When Nickel-based batteries get old they develop poorly conducting crystals in the cells and lose capacity, but by charging and balancing with a trickle charger and then using light bulbs to discharge to lower and lower voltages several times after each charge and balance you can bust those crystals up and get back to 96% capacity. Do this every 18 months and your old battery pack will last a really long time.

    Of course if you got error codes we need to get those fixed first... And if you have a bad cell, you'll have to replace that module, which sell for $35 each.
     
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    Death rattle?
     
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    Yes. My obd reader is telling me im having misfires, so when MG1 is linked to the engine via park or drive, it has an imbalanced spin which causes a really bad rattle sound that normal cars wouldnt get. The moment i switch to neutral or battery is high enough to not be needed to charge, the rattling goes away.

    Well one night it stopped rattling and i got the check hybrid light on because it wasnt charging them and i was draining the batteries. I am not sure whats causing the misfires still, but i plan on jumping each cell individually for the same amount of time each, so they dont get off balanced. This is probably the easiest way for me at this point just to roll the engine at least and see if itll still run.

    It might be out of fuel, i need to replace the fuel assembly anyway so ill be checking that too.
     
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    That's just an engine running on fewer cylinders than it was meant to.
     
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    What's the miles?
     
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    The headline topic is can the hv battery be jumped?
     
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    Yes. I will be doing a leakdown test here soon to see if theres a problem with the headgasket or bent valves thats causing it.

    Over 340k miles. I cleaned the rest of the EGR system, the part that runs coolant through, and the valve opening. It was a pain getting it off but i did it and blew into it afterwards and felt no resistance. So im confident EGR is not clogged.
     
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    Update: its definitely a headgasket issue. Did a leaktest and could feel and hear air coming out realy badly from cylinder 1 while in cylinder 2 and cylinder 2 while in cylinder 1. So the headgasket created a hole between them and thats what was causing my misfires.

    As for the hybrid batteries, ill just take them out connect all in parallel and charge all at once. I tried single charging one by one but it was overheating my cables and wasnt able to complete them all. Now theyre all unevenly charged and i dont know which cells i done and which i didnt since theyre connected in pairs. But first i need to order a new headgasket and take the engine apart. Any ideas of good quality sellers?
     
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    at 340k miles why not get a less-used engine? ...or use a younger one as the rebuild target?
     
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    If we knew where you were... ?

    You have a very bad "head gasket" with likely a warped head and scored cylinders. Probably have a bent rod by now, eg a blown engine. It would be a lot of work just changing the gasket to find its still broken when you get done or three weeks later.

    I would go with a professionally rebuilt engine shipped to you if you don't already live near a city with availability. You get new rings and maybe pistons along with a pro cleaned and rebuilt head. Otherwise a used JDM engine. Last resort, a used junkyard engine.
     
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    How did you try to charge them? How thin were the cables and at what amperage
    did you try to charge them with?
    Your BEST bet would be to get the Prolong system. After cleaning up all the connectors,
    install the harness for the Prolong system then run it through the cycles. Charge, discharge,
    charge, discharge, charge, discharge, then the final charge.
    That will safely balance the whole pack and regenerate it.

     
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    Bad, BAD idea.

    If one or more of those cells is very weak or effectively shorted,
    when they are all connected in parallel, all of the good cells will try to charge the shorted one.......
    AND an explosion or fire can occur. :eek:

    AND if doing a single cell was overheating your cables, trying to do them ALL at once will ........
    Well what do you think it might do ???
    HINT: Melt the cables.

    This is seriously dangerous stuff.
    And this thread is a perfect example of why anyone with no real electronic knowledge should NOT be
    screwing around with the hybrid battery.
     
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    Or a less used car. Fixing this one is like putting a band-aid on a gaping wound.
     
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    How DARE you try to deter someone from their chosen path.
    Negative comments are a sin.
    Even if they are absolutely true.
    :rolleyes::whistle::ROFLMAO:
     
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    Ok another update, the batteries were never at fault. I kept getting 3 fault codes for my throttle and I dismissed them thinking it was caused by my battery. The reason my battery wasnt charging was, get this, one of the red wires of the carb/throttle connector clips was cut off. Might of been cut from the rattling, but basically my engine wouldnt start (lack of air i assume since throttle wasnt opening).

    I reconnected it real quick, very simple solution. Snapchat-299973021.jpg Snapchat-620604719.jpg

    Ended up running again, even with my 'dead HV battery' or what i thought was dead. Still had 20% charge left so i guess there was plenty of charge left to roll over the engine. Did not have to try to manually charge the battery cells (thank goodness), but i attempted to charge six spare ones i replaced a long time ago just to test the process before i commit. I ended up burning my battery jumper tool i got from amazon because i was not careful and connected it in reverse polarity and it fried the devices control unit. Sigh..

    But the engine is still rattling pretty bad just like before, so cleaning the EGR did not fix my problem but at least i know its not that. Fairly confident its gotta be the headgasket.
     
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    (y) Chalk up another one for noticing what the codes are telling you. :)

    There are a few codes that actually mean "hey, the supply voltage isn't great." If you've got codes that really are caused by your battery, the chances are excellent some of them will be those.
     
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