Prime Strong Points and Weak Points

i am only interested with what i can buy here. i comment on what they sell here. the fact they we get what they design for japan makes no difference to me, we get what we get.
we're all commenting in what we get here, except for threads about other countries. there is a canadian thread, and a japanese thread.
this thread is about the pros and cons of the phev we get here. don't let johns propaganda throw you off.

 

I'm not. I added the bit about the C-HR as a reality check to it. Can also add the the Rav4 Prime has been out for for over two years, and supplies are still limited. I expect the same of the Prius Prime.

The core of what I'm saying in this thread is that the gen5 Prius wasn't designed for here. I'm beginning to think the only reason we got it was to help keep the workers in Japan employed.

Now Toyota did improve the range and battery packaging. Cargo space is better than the gen4 Prime. I stuffed a lot of things into the even smaller hatch of the Sonic. I'd be more concerned with the door height and seating position. The latter was always lacking in Toyotas for me.

I think the Prius mpg is fine for the trade off. Sounds like the Prime might worse instead of better time. Bigger battery can only help out so much before the extra weight becomes a penalty. The Niro PHEV is its closest competitor, and the Prius beats it in range. It could be close though.

The tire sizes are odd, but I expect that to change. As in more cars will have them. There is already good reasons to avoid first years of a redesign. This is just another.

The big weakness of the new design is that it is no longer a good all round car. I probably won't notice a difference between it and the gen2 in terms of use, but people with kids will.

 

I don't think your ideal Prius Prime would have sold in great numbers. People do care about how stylish something looks. And the want more power than they actually need.

 

I don't think Toyota has trouble selling Corolla hatchbacks in Europe. That is probably closer to what bisco wants in a Prius. Others would be thrilled to just get the 1.8L option here. The US has always been third step child when it comes to getting efficient cars though.

 

Understanding why certain decisions were made is how strong & weak points show us the bigger picture. From that, we can see the role Prius Prime will play on the team. We already know from history how it will end if that context is disregarded.

 

it's a discussion about pros and cons, of course they are personal to everyone. not many care what toyotas reasons are for doing something or not. it is what it is, and we'll all make our own decisions to purchase or not.

 

i realize that, and didn't mention those two points in my cons.

i don't think toyotas ideal prius prime will sell in great numbers, but only time will tell.

 

Being a weak point doesn't make it a con. That only means a limitation of reach.

For example, a shorter range makes no difference to someone who won't use it for road trips.

 

My favourite new "pro" on the gen 5 Prime is "room mode".

I'm often waiting in the car while charging, and in a full four-season climate, it can get uncomfortable after more than 15 minutes. Being able to charge while continuing to listen to the radio, and run the HVAC, will make it feel like a truly modern car.

 

Speaking of deflecting to the BZX & "the bigger picture" ...
Honda/Acura is about to release its electric SUV. If its spec'd right ... it certainly won't help the "low to the ground" Prius sales in the USA, nor will it help BZ, either. Just a few months ... stay tuned. Competition is good ... right?





https://topelectricsuv.com/news/acura/cadillac-lyriq-acura-electric-suv/

It's one thing to be charging a 200kW's+ in a vehicle while relaxing in a plugin ... but running even a heat pump's heater (especially below 10˚f) with an onboard charger the doesn't even barely charge @ 10kW's? Your charging will take a long time.
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Myth? VW Bug bucked that trend. And the Toyota 4Runner. And the Jeep Wrangler.

 

Each of those ended up with new models, so that wouldn't be the case.

 

Discussed on PriusChat in
Europe’s New C-HR will include a PHEV

European only and yes it will be HEV primarily with a PHEV add-on model. The bZ Concept looks remarkably like a C-HR in the rear and a Prius in the front. That will be a US model, but probably not until 2025. By then it may even have the steer-by-wire steering yoke (AKA One Motion Grip). Even has the rear door handles built into the c-pillar like the Prius.
A Nod to the Near Future: Toyota bZ Compact SUV Concept Revealed in U.S. - Toyota USA Newsroom

 

What the heck does this techno-drivel even mean:

Concept Represents Toyota’s Commitment Towards a Future that Goes Beyond Zero

 

Short answer - it'll be part of the bZ family and they don't really have a name like Prime for a battery EV. Just the beginning of a good password.

 

Yeah, it just gets my fur up, all these catch phrases they trot out, with meaning only known to them. If that...

 

Yes I agree , this verbosity irritates me also beyond zero

 

"We're gonna make cars that do rad things beyond zero emissions"

 

they must have admired coke zero...