Gen 5 Prius Prime will charge almost twice slower than Gen 4 Prius Prime

Darn, 4 hours. Guess would have to hope some regen diving would recharge the prime battery a bit so it would not be near empty when pakred at level 2 to charage for a bit. Never drove a prime so don't know if one can tell it not to use the prime battery...guessing not. Will be interesting to see real world miles one can drive just on prime battery; maybe one can flip a switch so it runs on prime battery when wanted.

 

The charging times sound suspiciously similar to those of a RAV4Prime.

Actually, maybe a bit better.

If you want more range, it shouldn’t be THAT much of a surprise that you have to charge longer. However, charge time doesn’t seem to be one of Toyota’s strengths; there are complaints that the bz4x also charges slowly.

With the RAV4Prime, you can tell it to operate as a conventional hybrid, to charge the battery while driving, or in electric mode.

 

I’m happy with 4 hours. It’s a phev, plenty of time for recharging imo.
Plus, you’ll get 80% very quickly

 

Probably not going to be starting at 20% all that often either. 4 hours is very comfortable. Heck, I'm planning on 120V because running a new wire to my garage would be a cast iron b****, and I'm still good with the time.

 

Well, the 2023 PP does have a bigger battery than the 1st Gen PPs (2017-22) The 3.5 kW charger isn't much faster then the 2017-22 PPs. Doesn't the RAV4 Prime have a 6.6 kW charger (32A)? Wonder why they couldn't use 6.6 in the 2023 PP...

 

12 miles takes me an hour and a half, so anything will be better

 

Bigger batteries take longer to charge.

And generally speaking, long warranties are cheaper to offer (and fulfill) when the charge rate is lower.

I can see they had to balance many different factors to arrive at the current product.

 

The post title is misleading. The gen 5 takes almost twice as long but is charging the larger battery slightly faster at 3.5kw vs 3.3kw.

 

As that German reviewer reported.

Unless you are now going to stores further away, the charge time to replenish used miles isn't going to change much for those with a gen4 Prime.

Most likely price point. The RavP in the US started with a slower charger on the low trims, maybe the new PP's is that one.

 

Really, calling out people that liked a post.

Neither the title nor OP mention C-rate. The title didn't specify if the slower meant time or rate. The charge time is longer cause the baiiger is higher capacity, but the charge rate of the charger is faster than the old model.

 

Amazing! They are still able to keep it under 8 hours. Enough for a full night rest!

In my opinion, Prime should be driven as a hybrid. EV for low speed, efficient engine for high speed. The best of both worlds.

Leave pure EV for the city folk!

 

Hmm...do we care about charging speed when it comes to a PHEV? If it is 'acceptable'...then it should be fine. And 4 hours really does seem acceptable, especially given the longer range. PHEVs don't have "range anxiety" anyway...so who cares?

 

One possible confusion in foreign news: not everywhere uses the same electrical standards.

In Japan AC mains are 100 volts, a dryer would be 200 volts. Oddly eastern Japan is 50 Hz, while western Japan is 60 HZ.

The same EVSE in North America would always be 60 HZ and 20% faster at 120/240 volts.

Europe uses 50Hz 230 volts with a variety of different plugs.

While Hz is not going to effect charging time, both voltage and plugs will.

North American 120 volts almost always is limited to 15 amps peak, 12 Amps sustained. The UK is frequently limited to 13 Amps. (I suspect that is peak, not sustained)

Level 2 charging in Japan may also be limited, as they use more 15 amp/200 volt outlets, while 20 amp/240 volts is just about the minimum in North America (16 amps sustained) As your picture shows 16 Amps, I suspect Toyota is using a 20 amp plug. https://www.plugsocketmuseum.nl/JP/JP_200V-20Asocket.jpg