Tesla cuts prices in the U.S. and Europe

and yet, try to find a used tesla at a reasonable price

 

be that as it may, they are not cheap by any means. we'll have to watch to see if prices drop significantly

 

My 90,000 mi, 2019 Tesla Model 3 Std Rng Plus is not for sale. Trade for a newer Tesla maybe.

Bob Wilson

 

dump it quick before the battery dies!

 

lol
Yes the Ridiculousness of that thought. If somebody did their homework - they would see that a Prius battery a Tesla battery a GM battery Etc all follow a similar capacity loss curve. And we're talking a few percent over 100,000 miles
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What state might I ask?

 

Any state, if the $37,390 figure with 'potential savings' Tesla site was the real price. As you can read in the following comments, it was corrected to the real $43,990.

Still with a full tax credit it would be cheaper than the highest level new Prius Prime, I predict.

EDIT: Oh I see you are asking about the service. It's in ME. There is no Tesla service or sales center in ME. Or was not last I checked. I even asked the nearest Tesla service center in MA, but their remote service does not cover the area I live in. Simply too far.

 

Yes, I was asking where there isn't a Tesla sales or service. That sux. Burlington, VT. will have one soon, just south of the center of town in an old Hannaford food store. Then near Salem, MA. But not any coverage up in Maine yet, or NH. It can't be forever. Even Nova Scotia has a Tesla store and service.

 

Three reasons I would not buy a Tesla.

Previous top three reasons in order of importance (to me)
1. Too expensive
2. No local service available
3. Not adequate numbers of charging infrastructures (or too short of range)

Current top three reasons in order of importance (to me)
1. I hate Musk
2. I hate Musk
3. I hate Musk

 

Worse, scarce SuperCharger coverage especially compared to the Canadian side. It would make most sense with the CCS-1 adapter, an extra $700.

Top reasons for getting a Tesla:

• Price
• Performance
• Availability

Elon's personality filters out those unable or willing to deal with the Tesla technical challenges. A firm believer in 'reality training,' there are non-Tesla EVs and PHEVs for them. Both the Prius Prime and the ex-wife's BMW i3-REx are gone while the Tesla solders on. For example, overnight trip to Horseshoe Casino:

• 263 mi each way
• $10 SuperCharger each way (might be reduced)
• Free overnight charge at Horseshoe

So a total 526 miles for $20. That comes out to $0.038 per mile or $3.80/100 miles. However, optimizing the midway, Tesla SuperCharger sessions should approach $12 or about $2,28/100 miles.

Bob Wilson

 

I don't think that would help me. There is even fewer CCS charge station than SuperCharger stations. That being said, if Tesla is Cheap and Reliable, then my previous top three reasons not to buy Tesla would be a non-issue. I can live with short-range and no charging infrastructure as long as it is used as cheap and reliable around-town rides.

Since "performance" is at the very bottom of the list of the desirable car traits I look for, currently available BEVs (of course including Tesla) are all inferior to any PHEVs I can afford to buy.

 

price?

let's see, i'm driving a 10 year old phev that cost $30,000. initially.

it goes 12 miles on ev, and 600 miles on hv.

hasn't needed any repairs, and just regular maintenance.

what tesla (or any other car) can i buy to save money?

 

The performance advantage of a BEV over a PHEV or hybrid has much to do with the battery simply having a higher capacity. Increasing capacity also increases the max energy that can be delivered. The motor between a standard range and long range trim is commonly the same. The max output of the battery is why the long range version is faster.

 

The $20 total, $10 each way, I fully charged to 100%. By charging to the miles needed with a reserve, I can significantly reduce the Supercharger cost. The free charging at Horseshoe and $.12/kWh at home picks up the slack.

Bob Wilson

 

I can't suggest anything to fix your last 3 reasons.
But can't you drive across Maine stopping at just one charger?
Looking at the map I think I see at least 10.


Mike

 

Maine needs a Supercharger near the northernmost point on the USA side.

Bob Wilson

 

Yeah, if I am vacationing in Canada, then may be OK, but that does not help me if I want to go down southwest to the civilization in the US side. I and Bob have discussed this in length in another thread and came to the conclusion that even with a Tesla, the NE corner of the US is not a hospitable place for EV goers.

My conclusion is that until the charging infrastructure density increases substantially, a BEV I want is a cheap, reliable, neighborhood car. As long as it has ~100 miles of winter range, it is acceptable. Due to its limited usability, I can't justify paying the high price. In my situation, any BEV is inferior to a good PHEV in all aspects of the traits I look for in my personal transportation need, except the 100% electric aspect.

 

I always try to look at it both ways. Depending on how I look at it, there is enough of a charging network to work for a single car family, and at the same time there isn't.

I like the cheaper Tesla model 3 because:

1. It's not a stupid crossover. (Nor a smart one either).
2. The LiFePO4 battery in the standard range M3 is essentially non-flammable and may last longer than the typical Li-ion batteries in every other EV out there.
3. I'd like to move to owning an EV again. Every morning as I sit in my car waiting for it to warm up enough to keep my breath from freezing to the windshield (because Toyota made it impossible to leave the car locked as it warms up) I get choked up by exhaust fumes. I don't think that's good for my health.
4. It would be a good fit. Maybe not near as big as the minivan I'd like to have, but it is bigger than the Chevy Bolt I've thought about getting.

Why I don't like it:

1. It still costs way too much. Even used ones are way to much. I would literally not be able to afford my rent or the family would have to go hungry to own one of these.
2. I would not qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit, not even half of it.
3. I rent and could have problems installing an EVSE. Even if I get permission, the apartment is on a 100Amp service. So that may limit me to a 30 or 40amp EVSE, which would actually be enough now that I think about it. But then what do I do when I move?
4. I hate touch screens! After buying my first new smartphone I ended up throwing it in a drawer and went back to a flip phone until recently. But man, I hate any sort of a touch screen!
5. I'd prefer a FWD vehicle over a RWD vehicle. AWD is usually very expensive and not really necessary. But with FWD I can point my tires in a different direction if I get stuck in the snow.