Red Alert - Battery Mileage Varies on Prime Models

where can i find that data?

 

It was in a couple of the technical presentations posted here when the Prime first came out.

But, think about it. If it has a 10 year warranty, the expected median lifetime must be much longer than that or they would have to expect to replace half of them under warranty. They obviously don't want to do that, so the expected median lifetime has to be longer.

 

agreed. you have to design it for some time longer than 10 years, and longer than 150k. i just didn't know toyota produced any official statements, that stuff is usually proprietary.

 

Or you budget for the expected amount of extra warranty repairs.

 

well, pips are only 10 years old, maybe 11 in a few cases, so the next 5 years will be telling.
they've certainly seen some high mileage already though

 

If I decide to go with the 2023, I will most likely go with the cheaper model with cloth seats and 17" wheels...and then add Clazzio seat covers in the future if I decide on that. Not to advertise Clazzio, but the "leather like" covers I installed in our Prius v are very nice, were reasonably priced, and they look like a dealer install. They were kind of a pain to install though...but not exceedingly difficult.

 

So, you paid to cover cloth with fake leather and I paid to cover fake leather with cloth.

See why I hate "packages"?

 

Yep...I'd much rather get the base model and "mod" it to my liking.

 

Looks like the “2023 Volt”

Toyota is only setting up to deliver 35,000 of the Gen V, might mean some delivery pain.

 

looks like a resla too. all these low cd cars look the same.

yes, more pain in all car buying likeky to continue for the unseen future.

only difference will be if the new style creates more demand than the past

 

19 wheels (rotational mess) and glass tops add significant weight to the car and reduce efficiency.
For people who want show factors they can get higher trims. But I am perfectly satisfied with the lowest trim.
8" screen, big enough for Waze. No smart key on passenger side and trunk, fine at least it works on the driver's door. Cloth seats, a plus...nothing else matters really for a car like the Prius. Not sure what portion of potential buyers want the SE but I hope Toyota makes enough of them so I can get one.

 

I got the Advanced in 2017 for the HUD. Indispensable safety feature. BSM would be great if it worked, but there's no audible alert so it doesn't do anything. Rear cross traffic is nice, but not great. I use Homelink every single time I drive, so I don't understand the lack of that on any trim. No HUDs on any of the G5s, so probably a useless generation for me.

 

Where are you getting this info? Historically how many did they release or deliver per year to USA?

 

Chevy Volt Sales

2011 7,671
2012 24,384
2013 23,094
2014 18,805
2015 15,393
2016 24,739
2017 20,349
2018 18,306
2019 4,911
2020 68

Toyota Prius Sales

2005 107,155
2006 106,971
2007 181,221
2008 158,884
2009 150,831
2010 140,928
2011 136,464
2012 236,655
2013 234,228
2014 207,372
2015 184,794
2016 136,629
2017 108,661
2018 87,590
2019 69,718
2020 43,525
2021 59,010

 

Also has the EV range of a gen1 Volt.

 

Wow! Thanks for posting this.

 

Honestly, having the same footprint, 195, less 17% just for the diameter sounds too much.
There's any Canadian source that publish the official data, to double check?
58 vs. 64 km, about 10%, a typical value, sound more reasonable than 53. Could it be some typo?

P.S. Here's a test from Car & Driver on a Golf, from 15" to 19", bearing in mind that, unlike the Prius, going up in diameter brings a larger tyre's width.

we measured a 10-percent drop in fuel economy and a four-percent degradation in 0-to-60-mph acceleration from the 15s to the 19s, which is worth considering should you be thinking about “going big.” Increasing wheel diameter and width, in turn, requires wider tires with shorter and stiffer sidewalls

Effects of Upsized Wheels and Tires Tested

Fuel consumption is not EV range, but i think from the energy consumption point of view, it gives a clue.

 

I would pay extra to get a cloth seat over the pleather seat for sure. Toyota's SofTex in Gen4 PP I had were the worst seats I have ever sat in. Or are they using real leather in Gen5? If so I'm even more inclined to go with cloth.

 

“…Slightly less cargo volume...”
I was guessing the 2023 Prime storage space and the non-prime 2023 models would now have the same storage space (due maybe to a small height battery/type being used). So, does the 2023 Prime then still rob us of storage space vs the non-prime 2023 Prius models?