Featured 2023 Prius Prime PHEV debuts with 220-hp engine and 40-mile EV range

I would ask:

• Is there a fast DC charge option?
• What is the maximum L2 charge rate?

Bob Wilson

 

40 mile EV range makes this vehicle a standout.

PHEV's are really coming into their own niche.

For many this would mean all electric transportation except for when you decide to take a long trip.

An affordable alternative to buying a BEV (except for the commonsense Volt and Leaf that are inexpensive and great cars for the common people)

 

They did it pretty this time!

Well, that yellow had better make it to the street anyway.

I like the overall direction they're taking it.

As always I'll be excited to see this drivetrain show up in some cars of other shapes and sizes.

 

Anyone know the FULL range estimates? including battery and gas? I know the current model gets over 1000km on both. Hopefully this one does better.

 

I am not sure of the "affordable" part of your claim. No price info out yet. But without tax credits, even the current Prius Prime is hardly an "affordable" car for many. I suspect a big price increase on the new Prius over the present models. I am still debating if I should get Leaf this year or not... It is the only truly affordable BEV for me right now.

 

Prius isn't immune to inflationary pressures. But I see it being cheaper than most long-range BEVs. IIRC, the average new car price is approaching $50k.

 

to be popular, it will need to be under 30k to start, after any tax credits and discounts.

or, gas will have to stay high and go higher, although, electricity is also getting more expensive in many area's

 

Or simply be cheaper than other vehicles in its class. There's been a pretty significant increase in new car prices of late.

 

If the US release of Prius is planned for this upcoming winter and Prime possibly spring, when do they typically stop production of 2022 models?

I’ve been on a waitlist and hoping for 2023 depending on price increase. Price difference between 2023 Prime and regular Prius will surely help finalize my decision, Thanks!

 

Holy cow, an instrument panel in front of the driver.
Is that a sun roof? Sweet.

Europe gets the PHEV only, no more HEV. Couple of more details:

120kW (161hp) MG2
111kW (149hp) 2.0L Engine

Gee the current 90kW (121hp) system total looks kinda puny compared to the new one. I predict more accidents in spite of the new tech. I take it we won’t be getting the solar roof again, but I’d settle for the sun roof.

No WLTC estimates or gas tank sizes at this time.

World premiere for fifth-generation Toyota Prius, 100% Plug-in Hybrid for Europe


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that depends on the price, and how fast it recharges. Everyone likes faster 6.6kW charge speed & above nowadays. (Remember the Toyota add? Plugins are for people that have 8 hours to waste?) that's one thing. a lot of sales will depend on price. don't forget - the Chevy Volt has (50+ mi) over 20% greater ev range - but as buyers moved away from smaller & medium sized cars - sales began to dwindle and thus many great rides got the ax. Then - coupled with higher prices? this is all good stuff but ... with all the offerings from other manufacturer, Prius may not yet be out of the woods. Here's to hoping the gen5 will stop the Prius sales slump.

 

For many PHEV enthusiast fast charging speed in not a must have. They use electric around town and come home and plug in. Our Level 2 charger will charge our PHEV from empty to full in 2.5 hours. I can't remember a typical day where we ran out of charge.

A PHEV always stays plugged in except when driving and if you run out of EV who cares the car switches over to gas, so fast charging isn't critical.

I too hope the price for the base model is under $30,000. Right now the Prius would be considered a moderately priced vehicle.

2022-2023-Toyota-Pricing.pdf (toyota-cms-media.s3.amazonaws.com)

 

Yeah, but the truth is not many people can "afford" a $50K new car. If I did not get the huge Toyota Cashback and Tax credit, I would not have been able to purchase a PP... I did it three times only because it was cheaper to buy a new one every year and trade in the old one. The last one I bought before the pandemic car shortage and super inflation hit the market, I only paid $24K for a car with $36K MSRP.

The Prius line of cars was always placed alongside Camry. The price range for the 2023 Camry Hybrid $28 and up. If the new Prius price does not start below $30K, I just don't think it can be called "affordable" for many.

 

What? The Volt did it nearly a decade ago. It had over 50 miles of range, and the price had dropped by thousands, by the time GM cancelled it.

Is there any photos of the rear seat and back?

Faster charger is important for those using public EVSE's that charge by the minute. The pricing for those assume a BEV with even faster than 6.6kW. Without an upgrade to the new model's charger, Level 2 time will approach 4hrs. Longer depending on heat management.

Europe already gets the Corolla hybrid in sedan, hatchback, and wagon flavors, and those don't have an import tax on them.

This isn't drastically faster than a 2005 V6 Camry, which was about as fast as the original pony cars. I think people will be fine.

 

No

It is 2022 not a decade ago. Let's keep discussion current- (also made a mistake typing meant Volt not Bolt in previous post but most would know that. Have corrected spelling to prevent any more attacks of hysteria)

Also I'm posting my observations to participate in the discussion - why don't you try doing the same without quoting others.
Just contribute your opinions and let them stand on their own merits.

 

Our still driving 77,000 mi, 2014 BMW i3-REx:

• $29,000 bought end-of-lease in 2016 with 6,000 mi.
• 71 mi indicated EV range on 18.3 usable kWh pack, hard EV mode
• 50 kW rated, CCS-1 fast DC charger
• 30 A, L2 charge rate, 208-240 VAC

Compared to our former 2017 Prius Prime, the next one looks less bad.

Bob Wilson

 

Sounds like a great vehicle the 72 mi ev range is impressive.

 

I'm loving the redesign, the physical buttons on the dash, larger battery. Basically from what I can see so far it's ticked all the boxes. But I reserve final judgement for after people get hold of the infotainment UI and other digital features. Is the Toyota app still going to be useless buggy crap? Will we get improved access to driving stats/analytics?
And most of all, what'll the hybrid MPG rating be? Extra ponies will be nice and all, but at what efficiency price?
With my Prime I get 30-33 miles EV range consistently, which is enough for all my local driving. Adding another 15 miles to that is a big win. My most common "long" drive is about 150 miles round trip, so almost a third of that could be in EV mode.
I won't be buying the first year model but it does have me excited for the Prius' future.