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Featured 2023 Toyota Corolla Family Announced - Hybrid Price Dropped

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  1. drash

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    The 2023 Toyota Corolla lineup have been redesigned with new engines and a new AWD option for the Corolla Hybrid. Final specs are out.

    The 2023 Corolla Sedan
    2023 Toyota Corolla Sedan Revs Up Power, Safety, Tech and Value - Toyota USA Newsroom
    Features: Higher power but better gas mileage. The 2.0L power jumps up 22% for 169hp over the 2022 1.8L 139hp. Gas mileage goes up to 32 city/41 highway/35 EPA combined versus the 2022 30 city/38 highway/33 EPA combined (6% EPA combined jump).

    The 2023 Corolla Hybrid
    Toyota Boosts 2023 Corolla Hybrid with All-New Infrared Edition, New Grades and Available AWD - Toyota USA Newsroom
    Features: Available AWD. More power but lower gas mileage. The new hybrid system jumps from 121hp to 134hp (11% hop) and torque jumps to 156lb-ft over the 2022 105lb-ft, 49% higher, but it looks like it comes at a cost. Mileage slipped from the 2022 Corolla Hybrid's 53 city/52 highway/52 EPA combined to 50 city/43 highway/47 EPA combined. That's about a 10% drop in mileage on the EPA combined. If you go for the AWD you are penalized about a 15% drop on the EPA combined to 47 city/41 highway/44 EPA combined.

    The 2023 Corolla Hatchback
    2023 Toyota Corolla Hatchback Heats up with Major Upgrades - Toyota USA Newsroom
    Features: Same 2.0L as the Corolla Sedan giving you 169hp over the 2022's 168hp and drops the manual transmission. Same mileage as the 2022 model, 32 city/41 highway/35 EPA combined.
     
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    Price dropped for the hybrid, right? Want me to put that in the title?

    Love the Corolla. It's no nonsense, priced well and aside from Toyota dragging their feet on transmission (holding on to 3-spd and 4-spd autos) and aiming for FE vs. hp, decently competitive on other features.
     
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    saw a hatchback the other day, so much more attractive than prius, i wish they'd make a phev
     
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    Sure go ahead and put it in the title. I'll continue to update the Hybrid only in the Toyota section.

    Along with the Tacoma, which had 4-spd until 2016. Toyota loves to keep using stuff that doesn't break beyond everyone else.
     
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    It's about profits. In Europe, and other markets where fuel efficiency is more important to buyers, Toyota rolled out the higher speed automatics, CVTs, and advanced engines years before bringing them to North America. Low US fuel prices meant they could keep selling the older equipment, with the Prius helping counter their FSP's.
     
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    I wonder if Toyota is pricing the base hybrid Corolla lower to make it easier to slot the new Prius into their lineup. They also have low priced competitors to worry about in the hybrid space ( i.e. - Ford Maverick ).

    At any rate, the new Corolla looks very nice for the money...and is certainly on my shortlist. However, I'm still really looking forward to what the new Prius will bring to the table...and how Toyota will be pricing it. (y)
     
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    Toyota will likely ship more of the higher trims and AWD models.
     
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    No hybrid hatchback?
     
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    I suspect that's the problem: it would be too popular, and they aren't ready for that kind of volume yet.

    When our c eventually goes it will be replaced by another small hatchback.

    Sure would be nice if that could be a Toyota pluggy hybrid, but we will take what we can get when that day comes.
     
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    I owned a light-blue metallic 1985 Corolla LE sedan with the 4-speed A240L transmission and 4A-LC engine from November 1995 to August 2019 (RIP). I owned a Barcelona-red metallic 2009 Corolla XLE sedan from February 2008 to sometime in 2009. I should have got a Barcelona-red metallic Gen 2 Prius instead of the latter though.
     
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    Not for the US. Canada sometimes gets models we don't in the south. If you don't get the hatch as a hybrid already, it likely isn't happening.

    There is the lost volume of Prius sales a Corolla hatchback hybrid could recover. Then it might start taking more Prius sales. Maybe even the sales of that new Ravrolla.
     
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    The Canadian prices increased slightly but the new Hybrid XSE AWD is expensive! $34,290 plus freight/taxes!
     
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    That's why I'm hoping the new Prius will cover those of us that want more efficiency for less 'power'. However, I'm not getting my hopes up...Toyota is going the wrong way on the efficiency front lately.
     
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    It's a question of market. Getting US customers to pay more for efficiency was always a tough sell. Maybe the EU Corolla will be tailored more for efficiency. The hybrid is still a notable improvement over the 2.0L ICE model, which sees gains over the outgoing 1.8L one.

    Even using the same drive train as the Corolla hybrid, the Prius hybrid will be better rated. More so if they don't go with 'full' AWD for it.

    With rumors of the next Prius PHEV getting a power boost, I think Toyota is worried about losing sales to plug ins. Most of those, including the Rav4 PHEV, get both performance and efficiency for the price.
     
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    I'd be over the moon if they'd come up with dash controls you could use, without driving off the road or into oncoming traffic.
     
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    Here in Europe (both hybrids):
    • Corolla 1.8L goes from 122 HP to 140 HP (+18), 0-100 km/h goes from 10.9s to 9.2s (-1.7s), and CO2 remains at 102 g/km.
    • Corolla 2L goes from 184 HP to 196 HP (+12), 0-100 km/h goes from 7.9s to 7.5s (-0.4s), and CO2 is reduced from 110 g/km to 107 g/km (-3 g/km).
    Given that the CO2 in the WLTP cycle stays the same or less I'm a bit surprised about the estimated EPA drop in MPG.
     
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    Well as @Trollbait discussed in 2023 Corolla Hybrid Final Specs | PriusChat, those figures are for the Corolla Hybrid SE trim AWD. The Toyota site shows the Hybrid LE trim AWD to be 51 city/44 highway/48 combined (4.6L/100km city/5.4L/100km highway/4.9L/100km combined).
     
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    It didn't drop by much.

    The 2022 1.8L Corolla hybrid was EPA rated 53/52/52 city/highway/combined mpg. The 2023 FWD is 53/46/50. The US never got the 2.0L hybrid.
    While the WLTP's Extra High cycle has an average speed about 10mph higher than the EPA's High Speed, the max acceleration rate of the EPA is over double in any of the WLTP portions. The power increase for the new model likely hurt it more in the EPA than the WLTP.

    https://dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/wltp.php
    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
     
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