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Just linked them in another thread.


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The last has a link to a mapping tool of eligible areas.

It only applies to installations in lower income areas.
"Eligible fueling equipment must be installed in locations that meet the following census tract requirements:

• A population census tract where the poverty rate is at least 20%; or
  
  
• Metropolitan and non-metropolitan area census tract where the median family income is less than 80% of the state medium family income level."

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Alternative Fuel Infrastructure Tax Credit

Not sure of the reasoning for that. Limit the government costs, or because the car credits mostly benefit wealthier people, is what I can come up with.

California isn't the country though.

 

True but it's Financial net worth is larger than many countries. As for plug-in cars? There's a reason there's only ½ dozen superchargers in the boonies like Montana, compared to 100's & 100's in calif, where the Lions share of plugins exist .... a whopping 43% of the total.

https://calmatters.org/environment/2022/08/electric-cars-california-to-phase-out-gas-cars/#:~:text=California%20already%20has%20the%20largest,the%20nation's%20plug%2Din%20cars.

Lest week forget, these growing Tesla numbers would likely be much higher but many many states actually prohibit sales & service of tesla's. For example - Tesla has had to put a service center on a New Mexico Indian Reservation to get around sales/service prohibitions

Tesla builds 1st store on tribal land, dodges state car laws | AP News
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There were (are) a set of night time flood lights aimed up at the bottom of the trees ... unused. My wish was just an all weather NEMA 14-50 or NEMA 5-20 on pole(s). Assuming the power line is good and just the flood light mounts bad, it would have been a trivial solution.

Instead they gave it to someone who went for a ChargePoint/Blink solution and found it was 'too expensive.' Like I said, pattern matched.

Bob Wilson

 

Is safety a concern.

In some areas if you had a nice car you may be forced to arm yourself to protect your car and yourself if you would try to charge your vehicle in that area. I think many areas in large metropolitan areas would be unsafe to charge your car sad to say.

There could also be areas in metropolitan areas that would be off limits in the evening due to safety concerns.

That may be an added concern for people who need to access chargers.

Years ago diving to South Dakota we took an alternate route just to bypass a couple of Midwestern towns renowned for their crime problems.

Rest Areas along major interstates would seem to be ready made areas for Supercharger Networks

 

I was merely trying to say not to take the local situation as the norm for the nation.

A lot of landscape lighting is 12 volts. Another issue I see that many businesses in America would consider with just installing outlets for EVs is with liability over things like tripping hazards.

I suspect the issue in your case is that they didn't want to pay for the electricity.

 

They looked like regular 110-208 VAC bulbs but the assigned person never showed up or asked me a question.

Pattern matching, no one checked the facts and data. No longer a problem since I retired,

Bob Wilson

 

"California isn't the country though."
True, but it shows the country what's possible, just as Norway has shown the world.

EVs are very expensive, so are still outliers in much of the US. But that's likely to change as batteries get less expensive. That'll happen as technology improves and more Lithium mines open up to match demand. To me, the turning point will be when a car with 250-300 mile range and 150kW charging capability costs the same as a Toyota Camry, presently the best selling car in the US. Equivalent EVs cost about twice that now, but it is mostly battery cost. I'm predicting this EV/ICE cost crossover will happen around 2025--I actually made this same prediction many years ago and I think it still holds.

 

In 2019, I traded in a 2017 Prius Prime and the out-of-pocket, Model 3 cost was $24,000. Specs:

• .240 mi EV new, now 220 mi after 83,000 miles and 3+ years
• 100 kW peak charge rate, now 170 kW
  • Supercharger density doubled on the Huntsville AL to Coffeyville KS

We are investigating getting a 2023 Model Y after January 1.

Bob Wilson

 

Which is very expensive since you gave up a 2-3 year old car.

With 20 inch wheels and blue paint:



Crazy expensive.

 

My comment wasn't about feasibility, it was about the assumption(not necessarily in this thread) that current conditions in California do not equal current conditions across the country.

If by cost you mean selling price, that isn't going to happen. EVs contain more of expensive minerals than an ICE car, and lithium isn't one of those minerals. The reduced maintenance and increased longevity also means the manufacturers and dealers are going to price the cars to make up for reduced service income.

If cost refers to total cost of ownership, then it might have already happened in Europe. UBS projected that to have reached parity between a BEV and an ICE car a couple years ago. Don't know how that actually works out with the current markets though.

 

It was a fair trade as we used the 2014 BMW-i3 REx which had better EV range, 72 mi vs 25 mi; faster acceleration; more easily accessible cabin space; after market 2” receiver hitch, and; EV mode did NOT run the ICE below 55 F. We also avoided a bunch of sales tax.

The IRA and Model Y manufacturing and engineering updates should make it a much better value. For example, a Tesla installed tow package.

Bob Wilson

 

Irrelevant. Sill hideously expensive. You traded a perfectly good condition almost new car that was in the mid 30s retail when you bought it, and added $24,000 to that, for a less-capable less-feature-rich car.

If you add a $35,000 discount, it will be closer to a decent value. For me, I'd probably pay about $22k for a new Model Y, if I were in the market for one, which I'm not. I'd pay more for an Ionic 5 or an EV6, because they are better, more useful vehicles.

 

Primarily because the externalities of oil are not considered (taxed).
CO2, air pollution, lower maintenance, unstable pricing of oil and foreign wars probably negate the difference...by a lot.
Need recent proof, just ask few Germans and Ukrainians.

Mike

 

For us, the Prime became driveway art. The 2014 BMW i3-REx remains in service. As for the 2019 Tesla Model 3 Std Rng, just passed 83,750 mi.

Bob Wilson

 

If you were smart you would have sold the Prime for the going price (around $27,000 at that time) and then paid cash for the Tesla. That would have left something like $12,000 in your pocket after all was said and done.

 

No, compared to other, similar EVs.

 

For me, it's my only car, and my secondary vehicle. Better on road trips than the Model 3 - I did two road trips this year and neither one could have been done with a Model 3 in the same time. I drove 600 miles in 9 hours total calendar time, and 750 miles in one reasonable day. It's also more efficient than the Model 3 on electricity - averaging 5.1 miles/kWh over its lifetime - and the last time the engine ran was Memorial day, which was on the way home from a road trip.

 

The 2019 Model 3 is my primary car and I had to make three trips to Coffeyville KS this year:

• Autopilot driving assistant
  • lane keeping with lane changes that are traffic aware and speed adjusting merging
  • traffic aware cruise control with speed sign adjustment and stop light, sign, and yield reading
  • running trip estimate integrated with navigation and automatic rerouting with waypoints
• No gas used since March 26, 2019 for 83,755 miles
• For past 31 days:
  • 42% at home, $0.12/kWh, averaging 4.75 mi/kWh
  • 43% Supercharger, typical round trip, ~$9/100 mi, 720 mi in 17 hours
  • 15% L2 charging, free

Bob Wilson

ps. Last cross country 720 miles, $56.93, $7.91/100 miles. Used two 30 min, free L2 sessions to save cost and avoid a 25 mile diversion.

 

Lee, once again, I don’t believe anyone is telling you the Model 3 is the better car for you.
They are just saying the Model 3 is the better car for them.
Personally I am hoping Tesla comes out with a smaller car. Until then, the MINI is a better car for my needs than the Model 3, which is the better car (for my needs) than any Prius.

 

Yet Bob tells us how great it is in every thread.