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Rear dashcam wiring path suggestions? (2017 Prius)

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by Wraiththe, Jan 4, 2022.

  1. Wraiththe

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    Need to wire a rear window camera to my dashcam in windshield. Will try to post some pics later.
    Originally I was going to go along the power source I wired in...

    Along the front of the roof liner,
    into the A pillar but BEHIND the air bag
    and into the dash and the fuse box
    Then along the floor at edges of carpet and under trim,
    then up to the roof liner and through the channel that goes from under the liner and to the inside of the hatch window area. Then mounting the camera at the top center of the rear hatch window.
    (I had another post with a pic of the rear hatch.

    Now I am thinking of just going along the roof line on the passenger side?

    Surely someone here knows the best/easiest/cleanest way?


    Know I have been asking a lot... with a new (used) car... really milking it, but hope to pay it forward. Thanks.
     
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    Well, I tried to upload a photo and lost my entire post. I have a 4th generation, 2018 Prius 3. A 6 m cable is not sufficient to get back into the liftgate/hatch with a centered camera mounting in any location. That is presuming that the camera is being mounted up by the rear view mirror and lane departure-photo recognition camera cluster.

    A bigger concern is how to get the wiring into the liftgate. It has been a difficult attempt to even lift the rubber covering for the two lines going down into the lift gate. They appear to have clips in there which may limit the ability to run any extra wire, especially a coaxial shielded one for the dash cam system. If it is possible to get through that connector, you will definitely have to run down the a pillar and along the track then up under the headliner only at the back of the car. The reason why is that there is some safety structure in the roof that will prevent fishing the wire straight back from the rear view mirror cluster. The attached photo is where the dome light that is featured over the backseat area is located.
     

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    I haven't tried a Prius yet, but the "usual way" for many late model ordinary cars is to partially drop the headliner and thread an electrician's fiberglass fishing rod from the back to the front, hook or tape the wire to the rod at the front and then draw it through to the rear.

    I say "drop the headliner" but in reality it can be as little as loosening the overhead grab handles on one side only, and then a pop fastener or two to create the space needed to fish the rod through.

    Generic example of tool
     
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  4. Wraiththe

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    Sorry I did not take any pics while doing this.I popped up the A pillar... ran a wire from the rearview mirror along the windshield... pushing it in and then behind the airbag in the pillar. Normally I would have disconnected the battery, but the space was large enough to the the cable through easily.
    I pulled off the weatherstripping along the doors and loosened the pillar between them. There was plenty of space behind the airbags to just run the cables along the roofline in the headliner.
    I loosened the pillar cover behind the rear seat and the back of the headliner and that weather stripping... and ran the cable to there for now.
    Once I decide if the location should be the top of the hatch window or the top or the smaller lower window, I will pull the cable through the rubber tubes between the headliner and the hatch.

    I am thinking of trying to pop out the overhead console too... to see if I can bunch up some extra wire there.

    I wired a kit for the older dashcam with a mini USB adapter and had to get a converter adapter to USB C for the new one... so until I decide to redo that one... there is now an unwelcome small excessive amount of cable there. I hope the extreme heat of summer will not damage anything.
     
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    You a Buckaroo Bonsai fan?

    "laugh while you can monkey boy"
     
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    Last week I put the camera in both locations and used my cell phone app to look at the view. I used the grease pen to Mark the center point on both windows, the slanted one and then the small vertical one. Because I think that parking lot accidents are more likely, along with rear enders and stuff, I felt that the lower position was better for getting license plates and seeing the driver's face rather than seeing the beautiful skyline, meteors falling to Earth and big rigs rear-ending other cars in the background. I may lose out on seeing a bunch of other stuff in other lanes and other cars, but I feel confident in protecting my own interests with the lower mounting.

    If you figure out a way to get through that rubber covered channel, please document it! It looks daunting and I have neuropathy which makes doing crap with my hands somewhat frustrating anyway. My preferred way is to run headliner to a pillar pass the fuse box and under the channel to the driver side doors front and back. I actually got all the way there when I figured out that 6 meters of cable wasn't going to make it. ☹️
     
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    Front is in, rear is temp.
    From Driver perspective, dashcam is almost invisible... also shielding eyes from IR emitters.
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    Pulling that overhead console out really helped get that cable in overhead.

    Will be playing with the final location for rear camera.
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    Nice job. I just ran mine just inside the edging all the way back on the passenger side. I didn't want to stick my rear camera on the tinted window so mounted it on the lower-glass panel. I still need to secure the wire back there a little better on the edge of the glass.
     
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    Nice job - My compliments on your attention to detail!

    Can I ask - how did you pull the overhead console? I have some plastic spudgers & sliced credit cards, but where are the tabs?
     
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    Sorry, it has been a while. I did use spludgers to push it in, but I also pulled the overhead console out finally and pulled the wires in more... they kept falling out a bit... and sort of threaded it through a space. There is a video on pulling the console somewhere.
     
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    This is great. I've been thinking of installing the rear camera, but it seemed like it would be quite a pain to do.

    Anyone come up with a great way to keep the suction cup to the windshield on very hot days? Mid summer my camera will be hanging by the wire.
     
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    I used a 3m foam stick mount. The new Vantrue N4 GPS mount can be had w/o suction mount. It is great because I can mount it where the frits are (black dots.)

    I also have a cell mount that has an extra tacky suction cup. They are amazing. And stay up longer than anything else I have tried... they are more manageable and will actually stick even if part on the frits. They last about a year before the center of the suction cup starts to break but MAN is it worth it. Not going to destroy my dash... or mount a cell where it is inconvenient. Magnet holds my Note 20 ultra and case with a plate glued to the case. Holds firm... will not drop it.


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    IMG_20220407_142038730_HDR.jpg IMG_20220407_142057665_HDR.jpg IMG_20220407_121041766_HDR.jpg IMG_20220407_122513161_HDR.jpg IMG_20220407_122559195.jpg On my 2018, I figured out that the wiring channels are just rubber covered snap-in bushings!

    I figured this out after just deciding that I could always buy a new harness or whatever if I screwed things up. I just decided to yank the rubber off and figured out that, instead of using the rubber channel as a grommet to protect the wiring going through the body panel, they had a snap in piece of plastic. Big relief!

    My wiring route was from the overhead center console to the left, down the A pillar down past the fuse box. I was careful to take the power and camera lines behind the airbag system. I used bright yellow electrical tape to mark those wires and to hold them up against the frame. My power supply (allowing the unit to be in continuous recording during a parking mode) tied into the fuse box and the camera wire, 8m long, ran along the baseboard on the driver's side. It went up to the cargo area molding next to the back seat and the pillar nearest the rear passenger door and cut slightly diagonally straight over to the location of where the wiring harness goes from the main body to the back hatch. I used a $13 Home Depot 25 ft long wire fishing kit. The 6m cable would not have made it.

    On the 2018, there is no way to go straight from the front to back without doing major headliner dropping which is unacceptable to me. There are structural beams that block the path. I would not dare route the wires along the side curtain airbags. Not even a consideration.

    One thing I had to do was create a little notch in the edge of the plastic where the wire emerges to where the camera is.

    I didn't do It initially, but I do recommend using a cotton pad and 70% isopropyl alcohol to clean the area where the adhesives will go and, use both sides of the pad. After doing that I had no problems with closing the back hatch and the camera falling off.

    Ultimately, I chose the lower window because it's field of view was larger and contained more road information, things like license plates were 3 feet closer as well.

    Within a couple of weeks I used footage from the front and rear cameras to identify an officer who had wrongly put a parking ticket on the vehicle. The video actually showed this person not even looking at the parking permit area of the window. The ticket was rescinded nearly immediately. The camera system paid for itself in that one instance!

    A few photos:
     
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    Update:

    1) Installation update - Even after cleaning the plastic surface thoroughly prior to mounting, heat (presumably off-gassing) weakened the bond and the camera started falling off. I recleaned it a couple of times to no avail. I put two drops of super glue on a freshly cleaned surface. So far, so good.

    2) One day, driving on the freeway, I noticed it had fallen again. I pulled into a rest stop and put it back... Within 20 miles someone rear-ended me in HD-quality living color. He tried to blame me on the side of the road and in a call to his insurance company. He says I cut in front of him with no chance to avoid the accident. Video shows him speeding past and falling behind me a couple of times. The third time, he sped up while drifting into me. It was a pit maneuver. The video captures me grunting trying to regain control of the car. Pro tip: If you have cross-traffic sensors, GO TO A TOYOTA DEALERSHIP BODY SHOP. Trust me.

    Yay dashcams!
     
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    Holy cow!

    I really need to figure out a way to route the rear-camera on mine
     
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    Is yours the 4th Generation?

    If so, I thought of a way of using Android photo markup to show you the path I took... I'm getting the Prius back from the body shop today, in fact I just learned that moments ago.

    Using my photos of the rear hatch channel, it won't be too difficult of a job. If you are real careful and don't want to break tabs, give yourself a couple of hours.
     
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    Hey, that would be helpful!
     
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    Had a bad passenger a few weeks ago. (Doing Uber) The worst ever. First time I ever got so angry and I was furious at his accusations. Had to get the police to get rid of him. Dashcam probably saved me from being deactivated. I will not do rideshare with out it... ever. I get plenty of footage of stupid things outside the car, but it is what happens inside that matters the most now.
     
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    In addition to the photos I've previously posted, I hope this works out in order...
     

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    Thanks, Looks GREAT!
    I took the high route... along the front and passenger side of the roof liner, but behind the air bags and was very careful. It will not interfere with their function... hopefully. Have not had the time to go through the silicone boot yet, but I would also like to wire in an additional light on the hatch that is switched with the one on the side when the hatch opens. Hard to believe Toyota skipped that.
     
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