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Ways to improve mpg

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by avoice217, Jul 20, 2022.

  1. avoice217

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    Hey all, first time posting (even though I've checked the forums as a guest in the past). So I used to own an 05 Prius and it did amazing in terms of mpg (I think it stayed around 40, but honestly can't remember). Anyways, I just traded up to my mom's old 09 Prius and ever since I've owned it, I've noticed the mileage slowly going down. I do remember that it used to have around 42 mpg in the past, but now it just hit 40. I've just been reading others where they have older model version and wondering if its possible to get my 09 anywhere from 42 to even dare say 45?

    Here's a short list of things that I've done in an attempt to fix the loss of mpg: all tires are at the correct psi, fuel additive (that's the most recent), and the engine air filter was recently replaced. Now I'm not sure that this affects it at all, but earlier this year I did hit a deer (after inspecting the damage, it was only the front bumper that took most of the damage, but I haven't been able to afford a new replacement bumper yet). Anyways, I'm open to other ideas at to what I can do in order to increase the mpg. However, with the current weather situation, I will be limited to what I can do outdoors until around October. Feel free to post any advice and/or suggestions on what I can do.
     
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    Redline the fuel system regularly. What’s the mileage on the 09? spark plug replacement ( iridium tiped) after every 60,000
     
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    Yep I know that the spark plug hasn't been replaced. I'll have to watch a video on how to replace that. In terms of mileage, I'm currently sitting at 233k. Do I need to remove the 12v battery before replacing it? Also I'm open to other ideas on what I can possibly do to improve the milage. I know that my mom never did a tune up, so this is a possibility. Bare in mind that I am limited on tools, so I am curious to see what I can do on my own to improve this information.

    Thanks in advance

    PS- to alftoy, I do have a regular OBDII scanner. Will getting a Bluetooth version with the app really give more details that a regular one won't? Also I will look into the HV stuff as I am open to doing a drive to get that checked out to see what the possible issues are hindering me.
     
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    congrats and welcome!

    congrats and welcome!
    at 233k, you're overdue for so many things.

    unfortunately, the car won't give you a trouble light for many things that affect mpg's.

    what you can control: speed, acceleration, hvac use, pulse and glide driving technique, avoide short trips and consolidate if possible, window tinting and shades, LRR tires.

    clean the hv cooling fan, throttle body and maf, injectors.

    measure oil usage

    track mpg's by the tankful, calculated at the pump

    all the best!
    check brakes for dragging

    change cabin filter
     
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    Gen2 of course is bad MPG during first 5-10 minutes until the hybrid system gets into warmed-up stage 5 or whatever..
    You should be able to get 50 MPG after the warm-up on say highway going 55MPH. If not then I'd wonder the tires are the OEM diameter or other "major" issues.

    I seriously think our newer 2020 RAV4 hybrid gets better MPG (40) than our prior Gen2 Prius around town because Toyota seems to have conquered the cold engine MPG issue that Gen2 shows. However, when we had a longer daily work commute, the Gen2 could do 50 MPG no probs. Much depends on trip length. Short trips were the bane of Gen2.
     
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    Summer weather in TX is hard on mpg especially with an aged battery.

    Getting away with doing less than all of the scheduled maintenance on a 2009 Prius with 233k is insanity but also testimony to the greatness of the mechanical design of the car. Hopefully the oils and all other fluids have been changed regularly. If not, do them now.

    Bite the bullet and change the plugs with genuine Toyota plugs obtained from a local Toyota dealer along with the PCV valve and serpentine belt.
     
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    Ac reduces mpg but is essential for an air cooled battery in 105f weather. Cleaning the battery fan and intake is almost never done. Most don't know it exists. If the battery overheats it will reduce capacity.

    Driving over 60 mph kills mpg. Sitting with the ac on in Ready checking your phone kills mpg.

    An aging hv battery absolutely kills mpg. The engine runs more because the battery capacity is compromised reducing regen storage and capacity. Fast acceleration hurts; quick last minute braking reduces mpg. These items are usually the most common causes.

    In isolated cases, a bad 12v can Ready the car but cause excessive charging current, significantly reducing mpg. In this case a new 12v resolves the issue but this is rare. Have the 12v battery load tested.
     
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    No need to disconnect 12v when changing sparks
     
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    To rjparker, like you I also live in the Texas Hill Country, so I totally understand about the AC affecting the mpg, which makes total sense. If anything, I'm not really worried about that. I'm more interested in other aspects that I can control in order to boost the mpg, like cleaning the HV fan.

    To Another, I am gonna work on the scheduled maintenance when it is possible. I will be working on the oil change tomorrow and will get the tires rotated. I will gladly look into the pcv valve as well as the serpentine belt. Also in terms of the plugs, I'm actually going to wait until I hit 300k with the car to go the dealer route.

    Now in terms of checking the battery itself, I'm gonna wait til the fall because I think that's gonna be the final last ditch effort to figuring all this out.
     
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    OEM plugs replacement interval is 120k miles. When replacing plugs, the PCV valve is right there and easy to swap.
    If PCV is starting to go it can cause major problems on oil consumption.
    The serpentine belt is another stealth catastrophe. From the outside it is typically not easy to see problems unless the belt is really bad. But when you take it off and look at the underside after 100k miles, it is often cracked badly.
    In your TX heat, I’d imagine that’s the case.
    Remember, you’ve got a great car, maintain it and enjoy it for another 200k miles.
     
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    Downstream O2 sensor pressure relief...
     
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    Hey all, so just wanted to give a little update. I apologize in advance as it's been over 6 months. So I recently just cleaned out the hybrid battery fan. Apparently my air compressor machine wasn't able to get rid of any of the dust built up (probably because it's never been cleaned), so I decided to use cotton swabs as I saw a Youtube video by someone who did that. The swabs did take care of most of the dust/dirt. However, I have to be patient with the weather as we've been getting unusual early summer showers around here. I am hoping to replace the spark plugs and serpentine belt here soon.

    On a side note, I've seen people talk about getting the Dr. Prius app. Even though I don't have any check engine light or any other lights that can cause concern, should I still get it and use it to check for other possible current issues? Can the app check for other issues? I'm considering getting myself a Zurich obd2 scanner from my local HF as it'll be better than my current one, which is a rather cheap Ancel obd2 scanner.
     
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    the app can read some codes, mostly battery it will tell you battery module voltages and estimated life remaining.
    you don't need a code reader until you have trouble lights, then you might need a good one, or might not
     
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    I would do the serpentine belt and OEM Sprk plug from toyota ASAP.2009 prius serpentine belt replacement - Google Search Make sure the Air filter is new and clean Cabin air filter as well. I buy my filters at Walmart cheaper than anywhere else. Dealership has plugs for $9.00 online at olathetoyota in KS. see if your local dealer will price match. Watch a you toob video on replacing spark plugs with another friends.. 3 times in a row.
    2009 prius spark plug replacement - Google Search are minimal and its any easy job if you can follow directions. Watch another video about cleaning the MAF sensor with the correct MAF spray fromhttps://http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwisrqjKvLT_AhVU3cgKHecCBTcYABAJGgJxdQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESa-D2zjfxIn19nn2rx-3YtTqSg-XE5oicis38iuYQoG0b4MCTIR0o7Emf7W5FFlwT77N9Fr2Q4fUfFG4BorPYun3xnQAMWUzvrc1i1esn0Z629t5y0_uFd6L-u2c1QIgEJIQTD8PIb2G-Kjb9&sig=AOD64_2X3Fqs3_om4357ir09stxRes-BaQ&ctype=46&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjJvKDKvLT_AhV3FVkFHRCrAlgQ9aACKAB6BAgEEBM&adurl= Wal mart..Don't use anything else.

    Every 5th fill up buy high end 91 or 93 octane gas. Watch another video on cleaning your throttle body without removing it. Also not hard. Watch lots of videos and take notes. Then when you do it yourself take pictures as you go. Makes it easier when you reassemble. Has your invertor pump ever been replaced? They last about 100k and are well worth going OEM. IMHO. $175 for that part (less online).
    Again watch a video and earn. You can do it....we can help.
     
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    Hey there, so I'm planning on replacing the air filters next month as that's when I did them last year. That's the only thing I really do yearly so far. Also in terms of the throttle body, I found a vide on how to clean that without removing it, so that'll be a weekend project (pending weather). Also I've never had an issue with the inverter pump, so not gonna worry about that. If anything, I am considering doing a coolant flush as I've never done that to the car (even though the a/c is still running fine). Finally on the MAF sensor I had to clean my older one in the past, but haven't had a need for that in my current car, but I'm willing to do that. I believe I still have the cleaning spray around, just have to find it.

    Aside from that, I'm open to other ideas.
     
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    The inverter pump is a ticking time bomb....IMHO. If you can afford a tow truck to get you from wherever you breakdown to your house and then a ride to the dealership to get the part...then cool.(y) My last tow (6 miles) was $230. :mad: My wife's died on her commute home. 5 miles from the house...She limped home in 85 degree heat with the hybrid fan on high and the RTOD.. I knew exactly what it was...Drive my Prius to the dealership paid $173 for the new pump and swapped it out that night in about an hour. I used plastic hose pinch clamps so didn't lose much pink fluid . She had to go to work the rest of the week and we can't have any downtime. After that mess. I ordered a new second OEM pump from Olathe Toyota in KS for $130 and swapped mine out because I knew it was the original and it would die....probably when I really needed my car. Just my .02 Maybe at least have the part on hand so when it happens you will be ready. Supply chain issues make waiting for parts.....crappy. :censored:
     
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    Hey all, so I just received the elm327 in the mail today. For some weird reason the Dr. Prius app isn't able to connect to it. The bluetooth portion is able to recognize it, but there's a feature in my cell phone that says 'active' & that tells me that the cell phone is really communicating with the bluetooth device. I don't know why, but the elm327 device just won't communicate with the cell phone, especially with the Dr. Prius app. Now one thing I did notice is that only the red light on the elm device stays on, but the other lights only come on for a slight second when the whole device is getting connected to the terminal. I am considering contacting the person and asking to send it back as I really am at odds with what to do next.

    Any ideas guys?

    To ColoradoCrow, I will look into the inverter pump.
     
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    Hey all, so I just received a working bluetooth obd2 scanner in the mail today (I say working because the first one I ordered is apparently faulty as it didn't respond at all). Anyways, i'm currently using the free version of Dr. Prius and the photo below shows the stats where I just started my car. I noticed that 3 of the bars at the bottom of the screen possibly represent 3 battery cells that need to be replaced. Would that be a correct understanding of the screen? Also was hoping to replace the spark plugs earlier this morning, but I was attacked by a sinus headache, so hopefully will try tomorrow.
     

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    No, you can't really see much useful data from that screenshot. You are only drawing 1.24 A which is nothing. Having said that the bars exaggerate the extent of the difference between the highest bar and the lowest bar (which is 0.08 V) due to the dynamic setting of the Y plot of the graph. The voltage difference is not statistically useful.

    You need to do an acceleration and deceleration test (not sure if the free version will do that) to get meaningful data.

    Delta SoC should be 0%

    The only other weird thing is your temperature readings which are nonsensical and possibly indicate a broken wire on the temperature sensor harness.