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I made it better and worse at the same time, please help.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Prius92, Jul 2, 2022.

  1. Prius92

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    I'm kind of surprised for it being a non field replaceable part, they didn't use security Torx or security bits of some kind. Or put "do not remove" on the part itself.

    I noticed in all photos of both used and new throttle bodies, the screw heads are in the exact middle of the oval slots on the sensor, as shown here.
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    I can't imagine an adjustment of say 3/1000" would make that much of difference.

    Could it be possible bad fuel would cause it to run like this? The last time I filled it was at some podunk gas station out in the sticks. I'm wondering if the fuel was bad, if the ECM is trying to lean itself out to correct it and going too high out of spec.

    Or could the injector being stuck open and fouling cylinder 1 "poisoned" the catalytic converter?

    On one of the PCV hoses feeding the TB, it was split in two spots about .3", I trimmed the bad off and reattached it. I did double check all the hoses and none were crossed.

    I also tightened down the bolts on the intake manifold a couple more foot lbs. According to the internet, a slight increase in torque is required for Fel-Pro brand intake manifold gaskets.

    I left the negative off the 12v battery for 30 minutes and hooked it back up. I'm going to take it back out on the road and hopefully it's better now, fingers crossed.
     
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    I got it fixed.
    Toyota uses these weird little "squeeze type" hose clamps for the hoses on the PCV system. Not the ones you need pliers for, but ones you can literally open with your fingers.
    When I bolted down the wire harness that sits on top of the cylinder head, I must of put pressure on the clamp with a bracket just enough to fling the hose off.

    This is what I saw once I took the wire harness back off.
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    Drove 15 miles round trip and it seems like its running better than ever before.
    https://i.imgur.com/hMNt8US.jpg
    Got almost 55 with no AC and cruise set at 59.
    But would like to ask, why does speed make such a difference in MPG on the Prius?
    I can only get about 40-41 at 70-72 on the interstates.
    15mpg loss only going 12mph faster?
     
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    Because it makes a big difference in every car.

    Aerodynamic drag increases with increases in velocity, right? The problem is that it increases proportional to the square of velocity. 70mph is much more work than 60, and thus requires a good bit more fuel.

    You're kicking butt with those numbers, enjoy!
     
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    It is interesting how this thread went all over the place only to discover a hose was off.
     
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    Give it some time to average out. If I do my daily commute (~21 miles each way) and keep it around the speed limit for non-highway and around 63-64 for highway (60 mph limit) I can be in the 53-54 mpg range for a full tank of fuel. If I bump my highway speed to 75+ then I'm typically in the 45-47 mpg range over a full tank.

    If you're at 40-41 @70mph, let it ride for a while to see if it changes over a tank or two. If it's still that low, I'd start looking for drag issues.
     
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    I'm sure there are some drag issues. I'm missing two of my wheel covers, the ones that cover the edges the aluminum rims.
    The lower black strip on the front bumper is cracked, and I'm missing one of the grilles that go over the fog light area (mine doesn't have fog lights).

    I do know the new tires I have on it (Michelin Defenders) aren't an "eco tire" but the last set of LRR tires I bought seemed to wear out much faster than usual tires do. I inflated the fronts to 44 and the rears to 40. (Sidewall says rated to 50PSI).

    I also think the last few tanks of gas I got were E15 and not E10, which cuts down into the mileage.
     
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    Drove another 30 miles today and seems to be doing well, however...
    I noticed when the PCV hose was disconnected, it seemed to have a hell of a lot more acceleration.
    I did take the PCV valve out prior to all this and make sure it rattled (it did).
     
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    "seemed" is often the operative word. Without a bunch of testing using at least a "performance" app to measure acceleration times, you can't tell too much by subjective feel.

    Can't think of any way that having the ICE running LEAN at idle would improve operation at all.

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    I put some more gas in it and the gauge is still showing empty.

    Does the fuel gauge need calibrated when the 12v is disconnected?
     
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    I believe adding a little gas to the bladder style tank will do that sometimes. You should add more fuel.
     
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    Any time the 12v is disconnected, the fuel gauge will revert to one flashing dot until the level indicator recalibrates itself. It may take 2 minutes, 2 hours or two days. I've seen them all. Depends on how much you drive it and whether it feels like being a PITA or not.

    You also lose radio station presets and the 'auto-up-down' feature of the driver window. To reset that, just raise the window and continue to hold the button in raised position for an additional 5-7 seconds after it reaches the actual raised position.
     
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    Topped it off and gauge is working like normal.

    Still have little power from a dead stop. I need the AC topped off anyway so I'm going to take it to Toyota in a few days.
     
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    Looks like it's going to be a while...
    Local dealership is 10 days out on service...next closest one is 3 weeks out.
    Shortage of techs?
     
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    When reinstalling the throttle body hose, it seems very easy for the spring clamp to drop a bit below the lip tabs of the hose, which can prevent a proper seal, and cause a significant vacuum leak. This happened in my case, because it's very hard to actually see the bottom interface of the hose and throttle body. I had assumed it was positioned properly, but when I drove the car it started revving after taking my foot off the gas pedal. I heard this can happen with a vacuum leak, so I bought one of those flexible work lights to get a good look with a mirror and, just as I suspected, the clamp had fallen slightly below the rubber tabs at the bottom of the hose where it fits onto the throttle body. This can happen because when you use a needle nose pliers or in my case a long pair of locking needle nose to keep the clamp open while reinstalling the hose, it's very easy for the clamp to get too low compromising a good seal. Once I corrected the problem and the vacuum leak gone, car ran just fine.