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Featured Gen 5 Prius now further delayed to the model year 2024

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Gokhan, Jun 3, 2021.

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  1. Sarge

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    Yeah, wait time is something like that, depends on your area, I’m sure. My dealer here in Ontario quoted me 6-8 months when I put a deposit a few weeks ago (potentially banking on the new model being available (unlikely) and/or unloading my 2014 for a good price if market stays ridiculous…).

    It will be interesting for Canadians if Toyota does squeeze more range out of the next Prius, since the feds just recently changed the rules on the federal incentive; it used to based on battery size, but now it is EV range, with 50km being the threshold between $2500 incentive and the full $5000. So, the new PP may end up being cheaper for all Canadians…. ;):whistle:
     
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    yes - hopefully more than 50km - even our heavy ol' plugin minivan has more than that. it's good - for other manufacturers to light fires under the competition's feet

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  3. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    True but as Sarge said, it’s mostly to meet the minimum requirements for maximum rebates. See RAV4 Prime.
     
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    新型プリウス掴んだ!!! トヨタのエースが革新的変化で2023年春登場 - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」

    2024 Prius.jpeg
    Based on comparisons to the Noah/Voxy which is supposed to have the same power train which is what this web says, they both will have the 5th generation hybrid system with the same engine, the 1.8L. The biggest difference is the Noah/Voxy will have a NiMH battery while the new Prius will have a totally new Lithium Ion battery that is 30% smaller but improves output by 15%.

    The best car web site says the current Prius has a WLTP of 27.2 (~64 mpg) to 32.1 km/L (75.5 mpg). They suggest the new Prius should have a 23% better fuel efficiency since the Noah/Voxy improved by that much. They estimated the Prius should have 40 km/L or more which is about 94 mpg. :LOL: Sorry..... Extrapolating their current WLTP to the current EPA of 56 mpg, we should arrive at the new EPA of 70.5 mpg with 13 more HP. :LOL: Sorry again..... Maybe it might hit 65 mpg or maybe they want the mpg crown and will do anything to get there. Hopefully they can keep the same cargo space. Rear seats up/down: 27.4/50.7 cu. ft.

    Anybody else notice the serious loss of grill area? And if this is suppose to have a hydrogen version, where are the tanks supposed to fit? Huge wheels, what are they 19"?

    Specs (current comparison)
    Overall length x width x height: 4600mm (181 in.) x 1780mm (70 in.) x 1450mm (57.1 in.) (4572mm (180 in) x 1760mm (69.3 in) x 1470mm (57.9 in.))
    Wheelbase : 2700mm (106.3 in.) (same)
    Curb weight: 1380kg (3,042 lb.) (~same)
    Engine: 1.8L
    Engine Power / Torque: 73 kW (98 HP) / 142 Nm (104.7 lb-ft) (72 kW (96 HP)/same)
    MG2 Power / Torque: 60 kW (80 HP) / 207 Nm (152.7 lb-ft) (53 kW (71 HP)/163 Nm (120 lb-ft))
    Total System Power: 100 kW (134 HP) (90 kW (121 HP))
    Drive system: FWD / AWD-i (E-Four)

    Spring 2023
     
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    Prius won’t get rebates soon anyway
     
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    True. But it’ll still qualify for Canadian ones. And we’ve just increased the minimum MSRP from $45k to $55k (except $60k for trucks and SUVs) for the federal rebates.
     
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    What? That sounds backwards to the United States, where if a car cost TOO much - then you don't get rebates (ie - if a car costs a lot - you're supporting buyers that can afford a lot anyway) . Just trying to understand & reconcile that.
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    Different priorities

    Canada might shift EV incentives to match U.S. regime: Trudeau | Canada's National Observer: News & Analysis

    Will need to read between the lines but Canadas credits were formed as they are with assumed origin of build and an affordability floor, get below and it’s affordable and the state doesn’t need to subsidize. The incentive likely was an olive branch (at the time) to US interests.

    Someone exposed to Canadian political motivations could likely dissect all the politics and international influences that made the Canadian credit the kind of limited animal it is
     
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    The original limits were set to encourage EV prices to drop. They were set such that “middle class” Canadians are incentivised to buy a PHEV or EV. The original limits were that the vehicle’s base price had to be below $45,000. All trim levels above that up to $55,000 will qualify. Options, packages, colour, accessories and fees do not count towards this threshold.

    So naturally there were loopholes that manufacturers used from Tesla offering a 96 mile version to get the base price under $45k to Toyota, VW and others pricing their lineup up to $54,999 and then anything above, treating it as a “package”

    The revision now comes because “Canadians are buying SUVs and trucks and electrified versions of these vehicles are too expensive and do not qualify for rebates” so thus the rebates were adjusted back in April 2022 to $55,000 base to $65,000 upper limit, except trucks and SUVs where the limits are now $60,000 base price to $70,000.

    This is the reason why our 2023 Bolt won’t see a price drop since it qualifies for rebates and would cost about the same as the US version after federal and provincial rebates.

    Also, Polestar just raised their prices by $3,000 in response as they previously did not qualify but now do.

    Ironically, the BMW i4 qualifies now as its starting price is $54,990 (Yeah similar to the US but we stripped out a bunch of options to meet that price).

    Teslas do not qualify since Elon raised the price several times and a Model 3 RWD is still above $55k ($57k the last time I checked). The Y is $84k base price!! (It was $71k Oct 2021) That’s almost a $100,000 car after taxes and fees depending on province/territory. (It qualifies for a luxury car tax too)

    It’ll be interesting to see who raises their prices for the 2023 model year with the new limits. I suspect a number will given that they were artificially suppressed to meet that $45k mark.

    That said, a number of provincial rebates have an upper limit that’s lower than the federal (and it’s a hard limit so options and packages DO count towards the threshold).
     
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    Bipolar Nickel? Or Lithium
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    toyota is building a lithium battery factory in the US for hybrids. Likely the camry, rav4, corolla, highlander, etc will get lithium when it is up and running.

    The prius? It will probably have some with nickel and some with lithium and will be built in japan. Toyota has lots of nimh capacity and it may be cheaper to switch this to bipolar than lithium.
     
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    They didn’t make much hay from that development

    the roving fingered moved to another shiny object pretty quick
     
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    That was from the article published last fall. They were referring to "bipolar" nimh. The current article says nothing about what battery will be used, so who knows.
     
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    More like bipolar Toyota engineering. The market is deciding every day.

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