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Bill Todd, ASE Master Tech, Inventor of CAT ARMOR on KSBY, Fox News and Motor Mouths Talk show

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  1. William Todd

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    I own a 2007 Prius I acquired because the owners had their cat stolen, did not have insurance, and were going to JUNK the car. I purchased it for 600.00!
    I LOVE my Prius!
    I own Todd's Garage for Gas and Electric Vehicles in Morro Bay, Ca. (Google us)
    As an Auto Repair Shop, I have personally witnessed over 100 Catalytic Converter thefts in "our" area. These events prompted me to immediately order the then available, aluminum Cat Shields.
    After installing these Anti-Theft devices I saw a few potential problems.
    #1 Problem... Thieves can cut through steel pipe but they can't cut through aluminum??
    #2 Problem.. Who is going to be able to service the now covered components (oxygen sensors)
    #3 Problem...Who is going to want perform a smog test (In Ca.) on a Prius that has a plate on it, where the technician will have to work extra hard to visually inspect the Converter.
    #4 Problem... I imagine a slight increase in cabin temperature due to boxing in the Catalytic Converter.
    I went about engineering a device to address those questions and issues and came up with CAT ARMORtm.
    Engineered from 304 Stainless and attached with security hardware that breaks off when tightened.
    The local papers heard about my device, and wrote a small story in their paper.
    The Local and National News stations picked it up and started playing it all over the country because of the fact it takes less than 5 minutes to install and saves Prius Owners thousands from Catalytic Converter theft
    Since February of 2021 we have installed hundreds of these devices and have sold them online for do-it-yourselfers. We have proven cases where it thwarted thieves. The thieves could not get the catalytic converter off and fled. We now have these devices for ALL Prius vehicles on our website. We also have a video of me taking my time talking, and installing the device that took a total of 3 minutes and 43 seconds.
    I joined this chat because I see there are still owners that do not know the converter can be protected quickly and less expensive than what is out there, and they can do it themselves fairly easily.
    I urge all Prius owners to install these devices to protect their catalytic converters.
    You can visit our website and learn more about Prius and other vehicles.
     
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    I also found your video online and it looks very easy to install.
    I've also read the disclaimer on your products description and ordering page and the disclaimer also makes a lot of sense.
    I have two questions. Does the ( Gen 4 kit) CAT ARMORâ„¢ 2016 - 2022 Prius (Medium Plate)
    also fit on the Prius Prime Cats? And, do you endorse any of the other Cat Anti theft techniques to complement your Cat Armor, like paint and etch?
     
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    Time for some search engine optimization ;)

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    My Review of the product:

    Imho, they should offer the included break-away nuts, and standard nuts.

    The break-away nuts are good for people that are concerned about a targeted thief.
    However, In general, cat convertor thieves will only carry a battery-powered sawsall.
    But, especially in Calf and other CARB-complient required States (Mass, CT, NY...), if a thief knows of an easy access Prius, they may go back multiple times to steal a cat from the same vehicle. That happens more than people think.
    So, in those cases, having a "security nut/bolt/whatever" is highly desired/required.


    Cons:
    o No Standard bolts included.

    o They don't offer the "universal protector plate" separately (the rear protector of 2010 - 2015 Prius combo).
    o Imho, selling that plate alone, along with both break-away nuts and standard nuts, would be a great option (easy to install, low cost) for many vehicles. Especially SUVs. Btw, that plate is also very easy for anyone, or any company to copy and also sell. Or, for someone to make themselves.

    o It's not as much of a visual deterrent or access deterrent as a MILLERCAT Cat Shieldâ„¢ .
    Imho, a thief could cut through the front-section of the front catalytic convertor - right behind the first shield.
    Then, cut the exhaust pipe in the rear exhaust (along with cutting through any heat recovery wires/hoses/tubes).
    That may take 2-3 mins, verses the typical ~15-30 seconds.
    Imho, that would likely be done by a returning thief. As I said, for cars with easy access and CARB catalytic convertor, multiple thefts do happen all too often.

    Imho, a MILLERCAT Cat Shield makes things much harder to access, for any generation of Prius.


    Pros:
    It looks like one of the best cat convertor schemes that provides a realistic deterrent, however, it doesn't impact the possible heat build up from an engine/cat running constantly in bumper-to-bumper non-moving traffic on a sunny blazingly hot day.
    Thankfully, I don't live in Phoenix, nor Las Vegas. :)
    However, as much as I like the MillerCat Cat Shield, it's hard to recommend it to someone that spends time in bumper-to-bumper afternoon traffic in Phoenix.


    NickPick Cons:
    They have a domain name, but they redirect to a sites.google web site?
    Imho, I would feel less confident about buying from:
    sites.google.com view MYSITE-EXAMPLE.COM home
    verses
    MYSITE-EXAMPLE.com

    I am not familiar with how sites.google web sites are built, or can how they can be built.

    However, the web-page shows smaller web-page/browser reduced-size pictures of the combos (horrible/foolish waste of bandwidth/time for mobile users). And, those smaller-photos are not "clickable" to show a large picture of the combo.
    To be specific, for pictures of their combos, they load/read/download a picture that is 1280x1707 from the web. However, the browser(e.g. Firefox Windows) re-scales the picture to ~266x355.
    Btw, a web browser can be told to resize a picture to any size. Foxnews is infamous, and horrible, with having their web page download 2MByte full-size photos for each photo, only to have the web browser then resize the photo to less than a tenth of it's size.
    (Yea, I taught various engineering classes for a while. :))



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    Since a photo of their product combos may be of use to some people, I re-scaled a web-page snapshot to help show the products.
    The photo below shows the products in enough detail, so that people can see how they differ from other products. There are 4 product combos, one combo for each generation of Prius.

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    I'll pass on this one and stick with the conventional cat shield.
     
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    We are a small Father and Son shop and are in the process of website development and have multiple domains however cat armor(the kitty cat kind) has been around a lot longer and evidentially it has a huge following. So well informed readers will just have to navigate the web and or google our shop to find us. Thank you for your comment
     
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    I recently put this at the rear cut zone of our 2010, with Permatex Red ThreadLock (the permanent kind, requires torch to soften) on the two most accessible nuts/bolts. It's at least "hardened" the target some?

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    after:

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    if my cat was stolen, i likely wouldn't know for a few weeks
     
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    Yes, the plate with break-away nuts and the break-away manifold bolts is all that is required on the Prime. The more expensive cat is in the manifold and very difficult to remove- over 2 hrs to remove it- not something thieves will attempt
    We recommend painting any anti theft device with bright red high temp paint, and installing warning stickers. ANY Deterrent will hopefully send them packing. We are constantly upgrading our CAT ARMOR devices to still make them easy to install and very difficult to remove. (It is terrible because now I have to think like a thief) We do recommend etching, however it works only if the thieves are caught as you can recover it and identify it as yours to law enforcement.
     
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    Love it! ANYTHING you can do to slow them down will circumvent theft. If you look on our website you can see
    Love it! ANYTHING you can do to slow them down will move them to someone else's Prius Our "Short Plate" on our website works well for that gap in between the rear of the rear cat and the heat exchanger. Thanks for taking time to post pictures and share with the group a cheap innovative way to send thieves packing! (NEED TO PAINT IT RED WITH HIGH TEMPERATURE PAINT)
     
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    LOL is it time to put your PiP in HV mode just to check and make sure the engine is still there?
    edit: You've still got the Gen 3 engine? ie: No Gen 4 engine to PiP conversion yet?
     
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    what's the point, it only has 20-25k :)
     
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    If I still had my PiP and only 20k I might think about how much it would bring in the CA market. I was told that is where my 14 PiP went after I turned it in a few years ago.
     
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    believe me, i'd love to sell our cars/house/and anything else not nailed down right now. we are in unchartered waters.
    we sold our cape house back in 2012, it has doubled in value since.

    i was talking to a builder today, he has built 9 houses in the last yer, and cannot finish any of them.
     
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    That's what seems to be flowing up; and down the grapevine. Some of it's got to be just a bit of hype though, it can't all be accurate assessments, can it/? I've got lots of stuff I'd like to sell too. The only thing is when I get rid of something I need it the very next day and curse out load about letting it go so cheap.
     
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    idk how much is hype, but i do see the outrageous home prices, and my pip was only worth about 8k a couple years ago.
    now, 8k seems to buy you an '07 with 150,000 miles :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions. Next time I have the Prime on jack stands I'm going to take my first look at the 2nd cat and the heat pump. I can only imagine what it would be like under there if a sawsall was taken to the cat in my car.
    The way things are going these days, most everyone has to think like the criminal element of our society or become a victim of some crime or scam ( as many crimes are referred to as now ). Scams must be the way the governments keeps crime statistics lower than they actually are, I think everyone is aware how high the scam rate is these days. ;) And only recently (2 years ago?) was cat theft designated as a crime..